News id: Rage being held back by Xbox 360

Most of the time the console users are the kids that shout and swear like a clanger with tourettes down the microphone. Because you cant play a FPS game (invented for the mouse and keyboard on a pc) on a console with game pad and 'think' you can win from a PC gamer who's trained for 10 years on CS and TFC. Using mouse and keyboard as a second nature.

Eat that

Afcourse I remember. But I allready had a 1x speed cd-rom then

 

I own a PS3 moron.

 

WOW, before going off on a stupid rant, make sure you even understand what is being debated. The guy said 360 DOES not use DX at all, I said it DOES, it uses TECH that is on PC (Pc gets both Dx9 and DX10, 360 has dx9 with a couple minor features of DX10) No one even was debating if the 360's dx was Pc compatible, learn to read before making an ass of yourself. It s not compatible, what does that mattert, PC gets the full feature set of DX 10 and 9, 360 gets basically Dx9 with a couple feature you cannot even notice of Dx10. If your console outperforms your $1200 PC, you have no clue about Hardware TBH, you can get quite a monster for $1200 now.

You are also wrong on other fronts, the PS3 CELL is terrible at real word performance, remember, theoritical performance versus real world. Cell and the 360 Power Pc processor were not as powerfull as even mainstream Dual Core CPUès at launch (In 2006) let alone now:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2453

You and many have dillusions of how good the hardware is in actual gaming performance in the consoles, MS and SONY have done a good job or marketing and brainwashing John Q public, in reality, you get what you pay for, there is a reason consoles ae cheap, even factoring in they sell them at a lost and add that to the cost, they are still cheap. There is a reason for that, they have to cut corners somewhere.

The only real way consoles have been able to compete is because console games do not get upgraded when ported to PC, so graphics stay the same by default, Crysis shows what can happen when a dev makes a game for PC from the ground up and only PC. This is the only reason console graphics are able to stay close, and EPIC agrees:

http://www.custompc.co.uk/news/601172/consoles_holding_back_pc_graphics_says_epic_boss.html

 

And yet the Cells are being used in Roadrunner, which is the worlds fastest supercomputer. Go figure!

 

Read the article, there is a difference between GAME 3d performance and theritical, number crunching. Geez, people are so ignorant. Cell is a great processor for things other then gaming, there is a reason the PS3 is not better graphically then the 360, Cell is not goood at 3d App performance, which is EXPLAINED in detail in te article I posted, which you eithr never read or understood. Once again, people fall for stupid marketing hype. We are talking 3d gaming perfromance here, not mainframe computing and number crunching and data processing, apples and oranges. Cell as a gaming Processor is no better then the 360's, and both are much slower then PC CPU's for gaming.

 

a console is used for one thing only its more stream lining than corner cutting really. they also are easier to mass produce, one board a dvd/br drive and a hdd. pc has alot of components that are made seperately and added later (which adds cost), and so many different combinations of components.

a console is a compramise though. you get the same (or atleast close) to the same preformance as PC at the time its releaced but over time PC's can be upgraded. some people just dnt want the hastle upgrading. i know i definately dont tbh

 

Oh I love playing with trolls. They're SOOOOOO FUN!

 

Ironic, because you are the troll right now, great points you made there. When someone proves their point and you have no good comback or nothing valid to say, resort to calling them a troll in hopes to change the subject and bait them into a childish pissing contest.

 

I call 3 METERS!!

Sorry, couldn't help it.

 

Erm.

I don't see what the CBEA has to do with the graphics. There's an Nvidia chip in there, I forget the model, and while it does have a direct link to the Cell (16mb IIRC), the cell does NOT take graphical load off the GPU. Talking about how it affects graphics performance? Absolutely pointless.

As for the Crysis ****? Yeah, great, we can have a pretty good looking game that runs like a slide show with no ****ing limbs (On the huge majority of REAL WORLD hardware (real world meaning **** that MOST enthusiasts have, not the quad SLI/X-Fire ********)), when the console gets a pretty decent looking game that runs at 30 or 60fps?

Console gaming is not holding PC gaming back because of inferior hardware, it's the cost and (To a newbie) complexity of PC hardware that's keeping the PC gaming in the nearest doghouse.

Anyone can buy, and plug in, a console. Not everyone can build a PC, and even fewer can buy a good off the shelf PC, because they don't know a damn thing about it (Which, in fairness, is understandable. We spend the majority of our week reading about new stuff - We know, they don't, because they're just not interested in working out the complexities). It's common knowledge that games console sales are through the roof, for both hardware and software.

As a company, would you release on a PC, where you can get some astounding looks and average sales, or a console where you can get acceptable looks and if the game is good, some pretty staggering sales?

If you say PC, you're probably lying because you want to save face. But that's okay, I know what you'd actually do. It's what I'd do, too. Even though consoles can suck my dangly bits, I'd release on them to make money.

 

Save face? Nothing you said has anything to do with what anyone was talking about? Sales and being mainstream has nothing to do with how Consoles are holding PC back, mark rein even has said as much, you think you know more then him? People keep getting dumber. Consoles being easy, cheaper and dumbed down for the masses only furthers my argument, gaming will become like the music industry, driven way too much by CEOS who have too much control over the industry. That is just one area consoles are dragging gaming down.

 

You said people are developing for consoles before PC's, and that's ****ing all over the PC gameing scene, because all we get (Mostly anyway) is crappy ports.

Why are developers releasing on consoles more so than PC?

BECAUSE THERE IS MORE ****ING MONEY THERE. Devs release on consoles TO MAKE MONEY. Why are they doing this? BECAUSE THEY LIKE MONEY. It's not rocket science. I don't care what Mark Rein says. I just don't. He is, in my opinion, a ****scoff, and he can just go.. Anywhere I am not. Preferably space.

The fact that it's easier (well, not by ****ing much I'll bet, given the crap on the PS3) to code for consoles just solidifies the need for the developers to release on consoles!

I never said consoles were not holding PC gaming back, I am just saying that it's going to take a lot more than being able to make a prettier game to get PC gaming back to what it was - And even then, the devs have to account for masses of different hardware configurations, it's a ****load of work for very little pay off.

Would you do the best landscaping job in the world for a dollar?

That's what you're expecting of dev houses. It makes you a complete ****bend.

 

Ok since you haven't actually rebutted any of my points from the last two post, I guess you agree. So lets start with what your wrong about this time.

- The XBOX uses a minimalist version of DX 8, did you even read the link I posted? Not 9, not parts of 10, just DX 8 with lots of room for specialization which a PC doesn't have, the article you posted only proves my point. Dev's have alot of programing freedom with either console and subsequently there are more graphical features available to them than on a PC.

- I'll say again, especially because your link agrees with me. The Xbox's Power PC cpu and especially the CELL are far better for gaming than anything offered by AMD or Intel at the moment. Why, because specialization is the future of gaming and the CELL's spe's are considerably faster at specialized tasks than any gereral purpose CPU. It even says in the article that CELL's architecture is on par with what Intel will be releasing in 2015. No, it's not a good desktop replacement, it'd be awful, but for gaming either is quite better than a PC cpu, but only if a dev programs for it. This specialization can be seen in the real world with Nvidia's CUDA platform for the PC, specialized code for very parralell proccesing is alot faster on specialized parrallel hardware, ie: CELL.

- In the 1980's IMB was selling a computer for $5,000, the total cost of manufacturing and distributing that computer was $30, things haven't changed and it's no different for consol manufacturers. Why the hell your talking about production costs, I have no idea. MS and Sony can't charge thousands for a system because people would just stick with computers. They make money on each console but it's negated by the fact that they have to cover development cost, wich is in the billions. Neither company cares because they already have that kind of money and reserves to spend even more, for instance MS, it has well over $100 billion in the bank.

- I know alot about hardware TBH, the PC I baught was worth $1200 I paid $700 and that was along time ago. And rage looks alot better than anything I can play on my PC, hence my PS3 is better.

- I don't belive I said console graphics where better, or why they where on par with the PC. Stop changing the subject and putting words in my mouth you *****. If you wana argue your point, go through and negate every detail in my last two posts, with bullets and quotes. If you can't even manage that maybe you should try spell check, or reading the articles you post. The one from your last post said the PS3 doesn't ship with a HDD and the Xbox does, I belive it was even written before either was released and is based (in part) on old and innacurate information. You sound like a little misinformed console basher and so far you've done nothing to prove me wrong, go ahead I'm waiting.

OMG someone who actually knows what they're talking about, mostly, i just have to make a few corrections

-firstly the Cell does effect graphical preformance, it can be used for vertex shading operations and recently it was demo'd preforming a realtime raytrace engine exclusivly calculated by the cell, basically it's quite the bugger. Leppermessiagh - Lets see a nahalem proccesor do that!

- Your right about the hardware thing and not holding back, as you said it's a cost thing and that's all it'll ever be. That and I would also say that coding for somthing like the PS3 and the PC at the same time is just completly different.

"something someone said about the cell being used in the fastest supercomputer"

-Exactly, it's called specialization and parrallel proccesing and the cell is great at it, that's why they used it in the PS3 and a super computer, because if you code for it, it'll knock your socks off. A general purpose CPU like intels will fiddle about slowly until you hand it a lazy programmer and a low budget, two things we have in abundance sadly.

 

ops, double post!