Supurb. So all the work that's been done on getting people to consider sexes equal is starting to pay off. It's wonderfull that college studends are being mature about this, even if their parents are too sexually immature to concieve of two people of the opposite sex living together but not screwing. God I hate people like this. This bitch(for she most certainly is one) is effectively saying "In living in the room next to a guy/girl you're encouraging him/her to rape you, it's your fault if he/she does it." Good news overall though. Sexual maturity and improved attitudes towards equality - and none of the progress slowed down by the immature dissenters.
She's not saying that, but she is saying that some women aren't helping the situation by the way they dress. That quote looks like it came from a different source on a slightly different topic I'm a little confused - in this article are people of opposite genders actually sleeping in the same room or just the same "unit". If it's just them sharing a unit, what's the difference between that and sharehousing?
I get the feeling that it is two separate rooms, sharing a common room with a door to the hall. At least, that's how some of the newer dorms at Texas Tech are designed. Ok, this is the second thread in which I agree with Spec (and he beat me to the quote, too ). There must be something in the air. I, too, read Meghan's quote as saying that if a woman wears revealing clothing, or is flirtatious, etc., than she shares the blame for any sexual assault. The name of her blog really says it all. Personally, I think this is a great idea. If the evidence indicates that everything is as normal as ever (as we all know it will), then why not? -monkey
I think it's a great idea, if two college people are going to have sex, they'll find a way anyway, the old rules only kept friends apart, and that's no good.. i's about time the world was more understanding
Em Spec, what Meghan Grizzle is really saying is that if a girl acts like a hooker than men are going to be men and take advantage of the situation. Consider this, if a woman has a lot of partners that is a bad thing, if a man has a bunch of partners it is considered good. A lot of men already want to act like whores, they want to sleep with everything with two legs. If women decide that being whores is acceptable too there will be nothing to stop all of society from being whores. I think it is hard to say that the number of rape cases will not go up because of coed dorm rooms. I think many colleges (especially jucos) are already a feeding grounds for STDs. I'm fairly certain that coed halls would make the rooms harder to secure at night and in my opinion that is probbably the only reason the number of rape cases is likely to increase. If the two choose to room together then the willing cant really be raped but I imagine there is likely to be an increase in nightly activities. I guess the university's nursery is just going to have to get a little bigger- which is not exactly a bad thing, a responsible couple should be allowed to have a child. L J
lol sanders. College students want to have sex. They will have sex. If these colleges are breeding grounds for STDs its because the parents haven't been sexually mature enough to give an honest and frank education in the dangers associated with sex. As for the rape topic, I can't see how this is going to make rape more common? Forgive me if I'm wrong here, (I'm not a rapist and can't think they way they do) but if I were to feel the need to commit a rape, I can't imagine I'd want to do it to a female friend I'm sharing a dorm with and inevitably get caught. I'd be looking to prey on some un-suspecting girl walking about the campus at night. Probably a girl going to visit a male friend cos she couldn't live with him in the 1st place! This can only be a good thing for equality IMO.
I see no down sides to this at all. Although in pretty much every UK uni which I know about, the halls are set up in such a way that males and females can share a "flat" (unit of 3-7 rooms & kitchen area, generally). And of course, there are others (me included) who share a normal house.
It will be much like my friends dorm. there are about 20 people on each floor, and its pretty much equally divided between male and female, each share the same utilities etc like showers, loos, and lounge. And when i'm over for a quick visit and a drink it doesn't seem to bother anyone that there are girls walking round with just towels on. I think most people are sexually mature by this time anyway so i'm all for it =)
I myself, have far more friends that are of the opposite gender (Gals) I find they make better friends overall, baring guy things, they are better. And it also helps if when you go out, if you are with a friend of the opposite sex, then you don't get hit on as much. I think it is a long overdue thing, and since you both (presumably) would have to apply for it, then I see only good can come of it.
Well yeah... in the UK, this is normal these days really. In fact, I know that a lot of unis operate the other way round.... housing is shared unless you state otherwise (that you'd prefer single gender living arrangements), when you apply for your accommodation.
Speak for yourself... Your idea of "men being men" is being sex mad driven-by-their-dick opportunity rapists? Believe it or not, there are plenty of men who will treat a woman with a modicum of respect regardless of her dress or behaviour. I agree that some men won't, but that is not "men being men". It is not normal acceptable male behaviour. Yeah, it is women's responsibility to protect both themselves and men from the moral inequity of sex. Time to wake up for new year, Colonel. The Victorian age ended a long time ago... Care to back those sweeping statements up with some hard facts? Because as airchie has already pointed out, your statements follow no earthly logic.
Name any one case where a woman has raped a man. How many times a day does a woman rape a man? How many times a day does a man rape a woman? If women were raping men on a daily basis I would agree with you but right now that is not the case. Please point out any fact that I had supposedly stated. Lets look at coed halls and why that is potentially less secure at night. If you have both genders in one hall, then you not have a rule which would state "no men in the women's hall after some odd hour" - no men in the women's hall at night = amazingly low possibility for rape. Next statement of mine- if a man and a woman live together it is safe to assume that they like each other and there might be a few couples who are only friends. However, if you visit a college campus I think you will find a low of couples take part in the activity of dating and being in love. A couple in love has sex so why is it "illogical" to assume that if you let a bunch of men and women live together they will probbably have sex? If you want to accuse me of a lack of logic please read and understand my statements before making a blind judgment. Consider the fact that most rape cases involve a man raping a woman, not the other way around. How many times is a man criticized by his peers for having multiple partners? What about women? In my opinion, that is undeniable proof that men have a stronger sex drive than women, and a lot of men don't seem to think that is a problem. You may be different, I may be different, but you and I are not a high percentage of all male college students. In fact, I'm not even sure you count for this 'cause I believe your older and out of college? I think many older men realize there is more to life then sex, but in college I don't see men realizing that. As for coed dorms and rape- I never claimed the rape cases would sky rocket, I did state that I believe there is a higher chance of relationships leading to sexual activity increasing. The odds of a woman getting raped probbably won't sky rocket, after all the doors still have locks, but having coed halls could be harder to secure thus possibly causing an increase in the number of rape cases. I did not say either of these would be dramatic increases, I simply believe that if there is a problem this is the wrong way to fight the problem. L J
Colonel, Sorry to say so, but not all men are sexual preditors... Nor are the majority... And in High School, people are supposed to be mature enough to make their own descisions... Mixed dorms = natural...
And that's the problem, isn't it? Does it bother you that consenting adults might have sex and even <gasp> enjoy it? They might be responsible and use birth control, or failing that, the woman might choose to have an abortion? Is that what really gets your blood boiling? These people are consenting adults, if they want to screw like rabbits, that's their business. Being able to share accomodations, in essence have a roomate, of a different gender is not going to change that and in fact has really nothing to do with sex. Beyond that, once they get into the real world, there are no "women only" apartment buildings. In fact, under the fait housing act, it would be illegal to discriminate in renting a room or apartment to someone based on their gender. If you want to see a society that segregates men and women to "protect" the women from the advances of over-sexed men, look no further than Saudi Arabia. "Modesty" is why women are forced to wear veils or Burquas and why is illegal for a woman to be in the presence of a man to whom she is not related. Is that the society you want?
Out of interest, does anyone else here think segregation is the probable cause for many of these issues?
Well, here's one, and here's another. Although the majority of perpetrators of male rape are male (97 to 98%), women can, and do, also sexually assault men. They may not necessarily use physical force but can use other forms of coercion: superior position in the workplace, or being an adult while the male is still a minor. Most situations reported involve a woman assailant in conjunction with a male assailant, a group of women targeting a single male victim, or a woman exploiting a male’s inability to resist because of too much alcohol or other conditions. If you include emotional blackmail as a way of giving the victim no choice, then the number greatly increases. It is a common mistake to think that rape is about sex. It is not; it is about power and domination. So if you take sex out of the equation and look purely at abuse, statistics reveal that per 100 domestic violence situations approximately 40 cases involve violence by women against men. OK, following your logic for a moment: you say that men are much more likely to be the prepetrators of rape. Fair enough (although not all abuse is rape and then things even out a lot more). But then you state that therefore it is women who should take responsibility for both the male's behaviour (by not provoking him) and their own victimhood (by not making themselves vulnerable or acquiring a "reputation"). Do the males have any responsibility in rape which, as you argue, is primarily perpetrated by them, after all? Or should we just consider them irresponsible animals, helpless in the face of their sexual desires? There a lots of myths surrounding rape (and you are buying into all of them): Myth: Men rape women because that is men’s nature: men force women sexually because they can’t control themselves, and are subject to biological forces out of their control; Fact: Rape is not universal. Men rape women in some societies and under particular conditions but not in all societies. There are connections between a high rate of rape, the glorification of violence, the objectification of women, the encouragement of tough and aggressive behavior in men, and the prevalence of war. That the rate of rape is high in some societies and low or nonexistent in others suggests that it is behavior that can be encouraged or discouraged, depending on the values of the society and, in particular, the values connected to masculinity and femininity and the power relations between men and women. Myth: Those who are raped are promiscuous or have poor judgment. Only young, attractive (and reckless or promiscuous) women are raped; Fact: 80-year old grannies have been raped. Nuns have been raped. Little children have been raped. Myth: Men rape women because they are sexually aroused or have been sexually deprived; Fact: Rape is about power and subjugation. Consider: most male rapes are committed by heterosexual men. It is used as a humiliation technique amongst men in prison and by men and women against other men and women on the battlefield (remember those pics from Abu Ghrab again?). Erection and ejeculation are frequently absent. In cases of serious sexual repeat offenders, chemical (and in the olden days, occasionally quite physical) castration has been tried to change their behaviour, but despite this resulting in impotence and reduced sex drive, there was no effect whatsoever on offending behaviour. Myth: Women provoke rape by the way they dress or the way they flirt. Fact: There is no correlation between rape and the clothes worn or flirtatious behavior at the time. Women of all ages are raped. They are usually going about their everyday activities. A man might justify his actions by pointing to the woman’s behavior, but that is an excuse rather than a reason. And I wish you to dwell on the rather interesting fact that in our society women are encouraged to be sexually attractive and seductive and then, if they are raped, are blamed for the perpetrator's act of violence. Reality check: Myths about rape serve to direct attention away from masculine violence. They are similar to myths about other forms of oppression, such as racism, in that they encourage us to believe that how things are is the "natural way" of things, that those who are raped either deserved their fate or enjoyed their fate, and that only certain types of people get raped, so most virtuous people can pretend it doesn’t concern them. These myths may serve to minimize the seriousness of rape and, by focusing on particular women in particular circumstances, shift the blame away from those who commit the crime. Blame is focused on the behavior of those who were raped or on particular men, targeted often because of their race or social class (be they some punk from the projects or some "promiscuous liberal college boy"). Myths keep us from understanding that rape is connected to accepted and often conservative social values of masculinity, femininity, and sexuality. Kind of my point! You make sweeping statements, but do not back them up with fact. No, that is undeniable proof that promiscuity in men is more acceptable in our society than promiscuity in women. This is associated with above myths, one of which, to reiterate, is that rape is about sex. Did I misunderstand your previous post? I do not think that a rapist will be discouraged by being locked out of a dorm... moreover as airchie says, an opportune rapist will generally not target the girl in the room right next to him because that would kind of increase chances of him being identified and caught. The problem with promiscuity, pregnancy and STD is about sexual immaturity and lack of knowledge. Holland has the best teenage sex edcation going. We knew all about sex, pregnancy risk, condoms, STD by the time we were 16. Holland has the lowest teen pregnancy rates. Same can be said for Scandinavia and other countries. Studies have shown time and again that suppression of sex education, of open discussion about sexuality and of birth control actually makes the problem worse, not better. But don't take my word for it. Fire up Google, and do some reading before you accept myth as the basis of your opinions.
