Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by bit-tech, 26 May 2019.
10nm... believe it when i see it...
9900KS... who cares... it'll probably still cost more than a developing nations' GDP and generate enough heat to keep the entirity of said nation warm in even the harshest winter.
the price probably is too high….
3800x for £400 matches 9900K for £500
9900KS is a minor improvement over the 9900K (lets just be very generous to Intel and say it'll only be £550)
3900X for £500 will make all three of them look like a joke even with that very generous to Intel price assumption.
Interested in the Ice lake GPU, any dates when we will see laptops with it.
Updates: is that Tuesday Taiwan/trade show time, or UK...?
finally... but i'm waiting for 10nm on desktop. i think it will be an hot summer for us (consumer)
10nm on desktop should arrive in 2020 the earliest. This seems to be a low power mobile part. Nothing more, nothing less.
The 9900KS sounds like a cheap shot at stealing the thunder from AMD. Alas, it didn't work.
It is almost like they don't have anything ready to counter Ryzen 3rd gen and chucked something together quickly!
The relatively small DIY desktop market is the only place where AMD is a problem for Intel, everywhere else they pretty much still have a monopoly, take servers for example where AMDs big aspirational dream with Epyc 2 is to reach 10% marketshare.
The big problem for Intel is MOMENTUM on AMD's part - They have a solid stranglehold on the console market, Samsung just announced a pretty big technical partnership, desktop share is improving and they should finally be making in-roads on the laptop and portable sectors... All this will add up and hurt Intel pretty quickly.
Dunno, Intel has never cared much about consoles (probably due to too low profit margins), they've mostly left that to AMD, ATI, Nvidia, IBM etc and it didn't really harm Intel.
The Samsung thing is more going to be an issue for Qualcomm if Samsung manages to make their Exynos SoCs more attractive, but not really something to bother Intel.
On desktop its a bit complicated... Yes, in the DIY market AMD is giving Intel a bloody nose, but unless the likes of Dell, HP, Acer etc start pushing AMD chips while giving Intel ones the leper colony treatment (as they have been doing to AMD for decades) then Intel will continue to dominate in pre built PCs.
When it comes to notebooks and useful tablets... Intel has actually been pushing much bigger upgrades from one gen to the next than in desktops, so it would be very hard for AMD to catch up, plus that is exclusively the domain of prebuilts, so even if they did manage it... success would still depend on Dell etc.
Yup, I am in the market for a new compact laptop and would be up for all AMD but they are not really available in good machines, perhaps because power is not as low as Intel?
In general, desktop market is in decline, it is tablet/laptop dominated, AMD does not really exist well in the higher end of these areas, just in cheap and cheerful, so will only ever be considered a sub par supplier of hardware to most IMO.
Momentum is on Intel's side. During the supply shortage with laptop and lower-end desktop chips, enterprise customers nigh-universally chose to wait for the supply shortage to end rather than go through the pain of qualifying AMD-based devices (and the having to support said devices for several years).
It's not just big OEMs AMD need to convince to incorporate their chips, it's the end customers they need to convince "hey, we're not garbage now! And our management tools no longer resemble a hole in the ground!".
Look at all the rumours that surrounded the new mac pro... and how apple were moving away from intel...
...then lo and behold... it's intel.
100% you'll see AMD make massive progress in the prebuilt market. In fact they already have but with Ryzen 3 it's much bigger.
AMD are pushing in:
servers really well
DIY desktop really well
prebuilt desktops well but soon ramping up
laptops a bit but not so much
Really well? By AMD standards? Yes, but even if we are generous we are only talking about Intels marketshare dropping to 85%+ instead of 95%+.
So not really going to trouble Intel (for now any way, maybe it'll be different in a decade if AMD delivers consistency and good service in the long terms, but that remains to be seen).
10% in a few years would be good and with Rome and Milan I fully expect so see that advance quicker. Rome from what I've seen is stupid quick and Milan from the whispers is going to put Intel in an even worse spot.
10% is the target including Rome and yes, if they reach it that is certainly good for AMD. I'm just not convinced it will trouble Intel all that much.
As for Milan (and Ice Lake SP, lets see if either one manages to ship in 2020 as per roadmaps or if they'll slip).
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