I was on Google looking for R480 info and couple sites some english and the rest were... some weird language Well i found one that said it's called the X900 annnddd they had a prediction of the speed's they said "620mhz core" "1,350mhz memory" I think they exaggerted a little, 620 seem's too high maybe 600..It's going to use 11micron technology they said since 13micron has a core limit of 600mhz... and the Inquirer said "Even with 11micron it still has it's limitation" which is correct, so then it'll be on to 9micron.. etc... And also this Nvidia consumer get's pissed off, and sends Nvidia a happy letter (haha) Nvidia's 6800 Ultra is not in store shelves yet even after 30 day's announcment,whereas the X800XT is due to depart in August 1st, this is why this consumer wrote Nvidia a email to them, for his whole life he's bought Nvidia but this problem may make him change his mind.
Going on previous ATI offerings the R480 (speed up of R420=X800_XT) would not use 110nm (nor 90nm) but the usual 130nm, ATI are likely to use 110nm but for the new mid-range card, most likely 8 piped X800 which may come in 128bitDDR and 256bitDDR flavours. 90nm isn't favoured at the mo primarily because of all the problems it's had attempting to mature. Using 110nm we should see 600mhz from the off, surely growing as it matures up to around 800mhz. This is by far, just guessing though. Using the 130nm 9600XT as a guide we see it has 500mhz stock and can o/c to around 600mhz, that's with only 4 pipes but it's now a comparitively old design too. If tweaked 130nm could certainly see higher than 600mhz. I'm not sure how GDDR3 is doing but the laughable 6800ultra uses 1100mhz RAM, so we could easily see an R480 (X900_Pro?) using 600/1200 clocks. That should still be a normal ATI card, as in single slot, single power connector and a shorter board design. Don't rule out nVidia though, their 6800GT is arguably the best card out there and it seems GF-FX's key problems have been addressed. IMHO 6800ultra was always going to be a benchmark/reviewer only card, never intended to be produced nor available in any real quantity. I'm sure they'll have more up their sleeves. It seems that unlike ATI, nVidia will be bringing the 6800GT to the whole lineup with cards only varying in pipes, clocks and RAM type, soon. That would really be of most interest. In my books nVidia are annoying, not just for show piece half-fake cards like the 5800ultra and 6800ultra, I mean just look at AMD's Tbred XP2800+ launch. nVidia's bad has to be awful intentionally mis-leading naming schemes. A slow GF2/4MX (slower than GF4MX440) out in GF-FX times named the GF-MX4000! GF-FX5500 is slower than FX5200ultra. FX5600XT is slower than FX5600 let alone FX5600ultra. FX5900XT despite being a good card is slower than the FX5900, really nVidia 'LE' or 'SE' would have been a much truer suffix. FX5700 often varies quite dramaticly in clock speed and hence slower than FX5600ultra. A quiet FX5600ultra V2 (flipchip) for the benchmarks, then many consumers end up with the slower V1 (both just called the 'FX5600ultra'). Clock speed deviation is common in all their cards below the mid-range. The FX5200 cards (up to FX5500 actually) use sweaty old 150nm and lack many optimisations of the other GF-FX cards. Still that's better than the GF4MX, DX7 GF2 in GF4TI days tut tut. However ATI can't be pardoned either. 8500 always suffered terribly from clock speed deviation, they had to come up with the LE suffix but then even slower ones came out! 9000 & 9200 were far slower than 8500, the 9100 which was a promised return to 8500 was usually clocked very low so not really any better than the 9000. 9600Pro replaced the faster 9500Pro, Sapphire 9800Pro with just 128bitDDR get a silent release and are still referred to as 9800Pro (just now changed to 9800 IIRC, still much slower though). Mobile 9700 is NOT a 9700 at all but a 9600 clocked a little faster (BIG difference). Both as bad as each other you know, the people who lose out are helpless noobs.
To be honest, i think that letter was a load of crap, where is ATI's offering? The X800XT is nowhere to be seen either, plus the fact he referred to it as a X9800XT
Exactly... I think people are far too harsh on NVIDIA at times, they've seemed to be a scape goat since the days of the 5800Ultra.
I agree ATI aren't blameless either, but I do think nVidia have been worse. I'm sitting here using an X800 XT PE, as are quite a few other people I know. Obviously I don't know one person that has got hold of the relevant nVidia offerings though. Both manufacturers have really screwed up their releases with lack of stock but it looks a lot worse for nVidia because a) They have got even less to market than ATI and b) They were the ones playing catch up in the first place, so they have failed in that attempt...
X800XT is due in August 1st if you actually read the letter. so the guy made a type would'nt you if you've been buying Nvidia all your life? Nvidia fanboy's don't know jack bout ATI. this guy who wrote the letter just proved my point, but the X800XT PE is due in August 1st just in time for Doom3 still where's the 6800 Ultras at..haha also do you see anyone in this forum with a 6800 Ultra?? already 3 people here have an X800 XT PE.
