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Internet Explorer 7 v FireFox 2.0

Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by WilHarris, 22 Aug 2006.

  1. yahooadam

    yahooadam <span style="color:#f00;font-weight:bold">Ultra cs

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    well they are all part of the current Google toolbar

    i thought Mozilla were integrating the functionality into FF, but TBH i like the Google toolbar, id rather just keep using it TBH
     
  2. Tyinsar

    Tyinsar 6 screens 1 card since Nov 17 2007

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    One other thing I hadn't seen mentioned is the way FF & IE find text in the current page. IE's method is just less elegant.

    Does this catch up remind anyone else of Intel's recent performance leap? The only difference is that in this case MS is still a little behind.
     
  3. noneuno

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    Erm. Thanks for the article. Several things I didn't see covered (which might be explained by the fact that it's late and I'm tired, but...):

    - Does IE7 still have the @#$&$ &$#&#$ stupid PNG bug, where it displays transparent 24-bit PNG images with the transparency shown as gray?

    - Is IE7's JavaScript ability brought up to snuff? Try a Google maps mashup with 100 data points and compare rendering between Firefox and IE7. (That'll bring most browsers to their knees.)

    - CSS Browser bugs... I absolutely hate hate hate IE6's inability to correctly render W3C-strict CSS code. Thinking about it (and the many hours I've spent trying to come up w/ ingenuitive ways around their poor coding) makes an anger rise up in me. Do I need to find another solution to another set of problems? Same problems as the old IE6? Fewer?

    - I saw an article on Wired where a guy installed all the latest antivirus / antispam / antimalware / etc, and went on a phishing / porn / spam binge to see how badly he could get his computer hosed. It'd be neat to run the two browser families through their paces using the exact same sites. A brutal barrage of attempts to subvert security is the only way to put it through its paces! :)


    As far as security goes, I use FF1.5x with AdBlock (G.Filterset) and Flashblock. I do some (random) system administration, and when it comes to helping newbies not get viruses (virii?) from their goat-porn fetishes, this combination cannot be beat (tied with a solid anti-virus program). I figure: if it can act like a condom for porn-freaks, Joe Q. Public would be kept totally safe. (The one caveat is phishing... can't save the ignorant from their own ignorance.)
     
  4. Firehed

    Firehed Why not? I own a domain to match.

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    Huh, I played with the IE7 beta, found it completely unusable. Then again, I had WGA hell trying to get it installed. I managed to free up a hard drive, maybe I'll give it a go on the Vista beta if I ever install that. Anyways, I found the lack of menus mindboggling, and the new tab keys and shortcuts simply wouldn't work.

    Plus, I found it made just as much of a mess of CSS as IE6 does. Which made my website cry. :grr:

    Still, speelchekc for the win.
     
  5. Adnuo

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    Poorly written article if you ask me. The latest Beta of Firefox wasn't even used, and biases are apparent all over. Safari is mentioned all over the place, and the word Opera isn't even found in that article. Also, the review was done on an OS that the general public won't see for 6+ months. The list continues, but that pretty much makes it apparent. I don't see how this is a good comparison at all. Quotes like this: "More amusing is IE7's default behaviour when you try to download Firefox. Heading to the Mozilla site for download, then downloading the replacement browser, results in IE7 blocking the 'potentially unsafe' download. Monopoly? What monopoly?" are absolutely imbecilic. Even with Mozilla, if you go to the Mozilla Dev pages, it doesn't let the site automatically download a plugin, you must allow it to manually. It's called security.

    The latest Firefox 2 beta uses a completely different theme as well, one thing mentioned many times as a major downfall to Firefox. The downfall is that they haven't changed what's worked for years? Shame on them... :rolleyes:

    Also, from what I've experienced with IE7 compared to Firefox, Firefox is much more intuitive to use. Firefox works from install and includes lots of tweaks with many many more downloadable to customize exactly how you want it. IE7 takes customization from install, and doesn't come with a very intuitive menu at all, and lack of control is very apparent from the moment you enter the menus.

    Not exactly an unbaised, fairly written article, and it seems to hold very little truth.
     
  6. quack

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  7. yahooadam

    yahooadam <span style="color:#f00;font-weight:bold">Ultra cs

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    2 of the mozilla pages are allowed by default, but it warns you WHENEVER you install an addon, it doesn't matter if its an allowed page or not (however non allowed pages block it first)

    the plug in system can be a bit annoying in FireFox sometimes
     
  8. g3n3tiX

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    Especially the 5 sec wait-time before installing, and the fact that unsinstallng an extension does not remove everything. (check about:config )


    Did you know that you can in FF scroll down with spacebar ?
     
  9. phuzz

    phuzz This is a title

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    spel checking

    I had the same problem with spell checking as you did. Turns out that for the first beta, only the US English dictionary is installed, you can copy a en_gb dictionary from somewhere else (eg openoffice), rename it and the whole thing starts working. (I think, I can't quite remember what I did to make it work though)
    I had to dig through quite a few pages of bugs before I worked that one out though.

    Now if only I could force certain people to use the spell checker....
     
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    Nope, it supports transparent PNG's. (finally)

    Nope, the only thing they have changed with JavaScript is they added the XMLHTTP Object. Here is a nice blog post on the updates with JavaScript. ;)

    They fixed some bugs (the most popular ones) and they fixed the hacks to fix the bugs. They didn't add much more than that other than some more selectors! Check the link quack posted for the full list or sth.

    However, this is how I feel on the subject. :p

    It's so you don't treat it as just another pop up alert box and just click "Install" without reading it.
     
  11. FragK

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    Shame you didn't talk about the changes for webdevs, especially the changes in CSS handling. Interface is something we can see for ourselves :) (takes less time than reading this article :naughty: ).
     
  12. TRG

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    IE7

    It still doesn't render CSS properly. :top and :bottom are REQUIRED parts of CSS2. I won't get into other details. Most of the stuff 'fixed' is ways around bugs, while some of the bugs themselves are still there. All I can do is keep telling poeple: 'if the webiste I made doesn't look good, you need a browser, like Netscape, Opera, or Firefox.' I use FF mostly, but Netscape is just fun, because it has built-in IE6 rendering engine, email client, and everything else, making it slower on the uptake than any other browser :thumb: .

    When XHTML 2 comes, many problems in IE will be forced to correct themselves.
     
  13. cpemma

    cpemma Ecky thump

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    A few impressions of IE7 beta3 based on half-an-hour or so,
    • Installed without a hitch, but then WGA isn't a problem, :thumb:
    • All my IE6 settings picked up, it's not tried to take over as default browser or anything. :thumb:
    • Easy enough to add the "normal" menu bar as with any other Windows program, though it's odd having it on the second line and maybe it should be on by default. :confused:
    • Updating my IE Favorites with Bookmarks import no problem - a few duplicates where I've now got 'A & B' plus 'A &amp ; B' listed. :confused:
    • Pity I want to add amazon.co.uk to the search engines, not amazon.com. No doubt other countries will be catered for in time, the bigger pity was I can't find where the urls are stored to try manual editing. :wallbash: (in the registry, easy to find & alter) :)
    • Pop-up blocker blocks the dialogue boxes here for adding links or images to a post. Fair enough, but I need an easier 1-click way to permanently allow such pop-ups from a site I'm at. :duh:
    • No stability issues. :thumb:
    I think it's a big improvement on IE6, mainly through tabs, but the lack of real customisation will put me off using it 100% (I want a bigger search box, for instance). Perhaps MS should have copied the userChrome.css and userprefs.js system from Mozilla... ;)
     
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  14. allforcarrie

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    no way i'll go back to IE.
     
  15. noneuno

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    It's funny how aggressive people are when you don't talk enough about their browser. Some people are coming at it from another perspective, though, and that's from a web developer's vantage. You code for your end user, and ... lemme tell you, "get a new browser" does not hold water for any self-respecting business person. People and companies make their choices for a reason, and if you go second guessing those choices and reasons (or obvious lack of both), they will go from being your customer to someone else's.

    I have enough work that I don't have time to track down every little bug and fix for each browser. I make the page and then try them out, and try to hand it to a diverse enough audience that they'll point out the rest. Still, doesn't hurt to know what's coming down the pipe.
     
  16. Brooxy

    Brooxy Like a boss (but not a boss)

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    I use both atm, and i'm not seeing much difference between IE and FF...except the lack of file menu, and how IE 7 tells outlook not to use a LAN connection, meaning I had to readjust all my settings in Outloook and Media Player...but since then, it's been good.

    However, the lack of a file menu is irritating to say the least, and the vista-esque look is a bit..poor IMO.

    One thing thought, will IE ship with an upgraded version of outlook express...as in outlook express 7? 6 has been kicking around for a while, and could do with a few changes...
     
  17. quack

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    ill stick with firefox, they have been better in the past and hopefully in the future too
     
  19. DigitalX

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    Firefox spell checker works fine for me

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    btw. those .jpg images are grab.
     
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  20. cpemma

    cpemma Ecky thump

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    Dunno about FF2, but in 1.5.0.6 (using Spellbound Development version) I've a check-box to enable/disable "spell as you type". Maybe someone's been tinkering with the Bit setup. :naughty:
     
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