Linux Is Linux for losers.

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  1. SHAKIRALOVER

    SHAKIRALOVER What's a Dremel?

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    OpenBSD creator Theo de Raadt has some acidic things to say


    "It's terrible," De Raadt says. "Everyone is using it, and they don't realize how bad it is. And the Linux people will just stick with it and add to it rather than stepping back and saying, 'This is garbage and we should fix it.'"

    There's also a difference in motivation. "Linux people do what they do because they hate Microsoft. We do what we do because we love Unix," De Raadt says. The irony, however, is that while noisy Linux fanatics make a great deal out of their hatred for Microsoft, De Raadt says their beloved program is starting to look a lot like what Microsoft puts out. "They have the same rapid development cycle, which leads to crap," he says.
    I know I'm going to get flamed for this by Linux fanboys, but I have to agree. I used to use Linux back in the day (and still do on occasion), but its disorganization, bazaar-style of development, and constantly shifting state of software got to me. I installed FreeBSD on a server at home, and never looked back. In my opinion, the quality of the entire FreeBSD OS is head and shoulders that of anything I used in the Linux camp.

    While Theo de Raadt is generally regarded as being somewhat arrogant, that's no reason not to listen to his opinions. The guy can code -- there's no argument about that. I'm more inclined to listen to a professional programmer with years of experience than a forum full of kids who think that they are "l337 hax0rz".

    Editor's Note: At least two of us on staff don't share Tom's dislike of Linux, its a great OS that Neoseeker was using up until only last year, when we split some of our servers with BSD.

    Bill's Note: I agree with my fellow editor... Tom is a great guy, but is perhaps a bit pro-BSD (not that there is anything wrong with that!); and while in his experience it may be head and shoulders above Linux, not all of us share that experience. Yes, I admit it - I may be a bit pro-Linux when it comes to Linux vs. BSD; however thats mostly because Linux seems to evolve faster, and has more drivers. Both are great OS's in my opinion.



    Link:::http://www.forbes.com/intelligentinfrastructure/2005/06/16/linux-bsd-unix-cz_dl_0616theo.html

    Before i get shot down i dont agree with this article, i just thought you'd like it. :D
     
  2. TheAnimus

    TheAnimus Banned

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    windows 95, probably the worst OS ever made, it was just a cash grabbing move because NT wasn't ready for mass users. Windows 95 had pre-emptive multithreading.

    Linux 2.4 didn't.

    Linux is more about the philosophy of fully open source do with as you wish stuff.

    BSD is better, and it dosen't have this restrictive license. Linus's style of developement dosen't seam to provide a quality product.

    The thing that gets me about linux users is so few of them have technical reasons why its better, fact is for anything above a 50mhz i find it hard to justify (enless the box is doing just ONE simple task) using the linux kernel over BSD. But then again my 40mhz arm is running netbsd.

    Its only the distro's that push linux onto any of my machines, as an OS linux is terrible, i could design a better one (and have done before now, at an un-shamefully geeky geek fest) on a napkin!
     
  3. OneSeventeen

    OneSeventeen Oooh Shiny!

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    I haven't tried BSD yet, is it good for the desktop environment?

    I've got a widescreen laptop with an obscure sound card, wireless G, and a memory card reader.

    Ubuntu recognizes the sound and memory card reader, but I need to download some newer ATI drivers for it to work at its native 1280x800, and I need to fight for a few nights to get ndiswraper to recognize wireless networks.

    Can BSD work on my laptop and provide a good daily use working environment?

    (I'm being serious here, not sarcastic...) I use my laptop for 3d animation, video editing, DVD creation, web browsing, and php development. If I switch from Ubuntu to FreeBSD can I still do all of the same?

    I see blender3d is available for freeBSD, so that's taken care of, but what about other apps that don't have a premade package. Can I compile code written for linux on a freeBSD machine?
     
  4. TheAnimus

    TheAnimus Banned

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    most projects on linux come from the unix or bsd side of the fence.

    People who are capable of making great projects rarely think "Yes, yes linux is the one" enless they've got political views.

    But you will most likely find a large speed improvement, alough i'm been told right now that blender 3d is fussy about video cards under *nix. (requires openGL to be working properly, but as your lappy is ATI gfx, i don't think its going to be a major issue).
     
  5. Lynx

    Lynx What's a Dremel?

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    Linux has some major "personality" problems. The attitude that simple means just a command line command with a few arguments on the end never mind if a total new person has no idea what the command or arguments are or how to get them. Also the dependancy issues are rediculous. I run Gentoo on my main box and so often you have random errors that you havent a clue what they mean (remind you of a certain OS?). When you track down what they mean you find that GCC hasnt updated the links to itself when it installed. Why the hell not? because the developers thought you would be able to do it! Thats not the way to make a mass usable desktop OS. I have had Linux running for about a year and still havent got Firewire sorted. I like the interface and would never go back to windows. Its just that my next PC is going to be a Powerbook.
     
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    webbyman Hax.

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    to be honnest you don't (realy) need a firewall if it's your home pc. however if your running a server things may change ;)
     
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    kickarse What's a Dremel?

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    How'd you find that blender3d! It's awesome...
     
  8. TheAnimus

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    Que?

    i'm assuming you miss read linx's firewire (iee1394) as a firewall.
    software firewalls should be un-nesciserry, and strike me as a way of covering up bad programming and poor security. They make baby jesus cry.
    but almost every OS has a firewall, so i don't see what your comment is about?
     
  9. OneSeventeen

    OneSeventeen Oooh Shiny!

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    Funny enough, ATI's own drivers make blender3d run slow, you usually have to grab a .dll from a driver released a few years ago and manually install it. (on windows, I'm hoping linux/bsd is better)
     
  10. webbyman

    webbyman Hax.

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    :hehe: :duh:
     
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