Personaly i think the system should be abolished and a new one formed where people cant cheat it so easly (omg but no that might upset someone!) Why cant we make all these people work for their money? there must be some menial job they could do like litter picking or something for their £50 a week (and the rest). At least we would be getting something from our money.
ok most people arnt reading properly, its rent, utility bills etc. then £50 for food, clothes etc a week.
His posts are so difficult to decipher you wonder sometimes what he's actually trying to say... Regardless, he's under 18, presumably unmarried, and if his hours were drastically cut then he's entitled to his benefits. Either way, £50 "to live on" is still peanuts even if your rent has already been paid... Sam
i was merely stating that most people had read it wrong, i was not arguing over the sum or if it was enough. calm down dear, its only a commercial (thread*)
Erm as dom said read my posts, Net means after tax, gross is before tax. What i've been trying to show, is that the governement provides people who don't work with about the same as someone on over £200 per week. What i'm sugesting is that you have to work over 40 hours a week on minimum wage, to get the same lifestyle as someone on job seakers + housing benefit. Thats just plain wrong. Also dom, i've never used the benefit system for anything but dislexic grants and been in a schooling system funded by child welfair. My philosophy is the state benefit system should ONLY be for serious injury, i'd rather earn £5 an hour cleaning dishes than sign on.
And quite right too. If you genuinely can't work, then would you prefer someone helping you out or would you rather starve? If people choose to abuse the system thats their fault, not the system's... Sam
I've NEVER had a problem getting work in my life, yet my sister has. My sister is lazy, and needs to be told to work or starve. If someones geniunly ill, then yes, they can have benefits. If their lazy no. I'm not on a high hourse, i've done work i found more demeaning than when i've cleaned toilets (my parents run a day nursery, little boys who can't aim *shudders*). Why can't they? Right now i have no contracts work x hundread an hour. I've had them before, so by some peoples logic i should only work for that much, hell no! i'll take what people are kind enough to offer me.
Lucky you've never been seriously ill for a long period of time then, aren't you? Benefits are not designed to benefit the lazy. They are designed to help those genuinely in need. If people choose to take advantage of that then they are the problem, not the benefits themselves. If a few freeloaders take advantage then thats a small price to pay for helping those who really need it. I don't really see who your ranting is aimed at to be honest... Sam
Just saw the episode again (I have it on DVD how uber sad ), they had 8 kids and got £37,500/year AFTER TAX! Anyway, Thanks for the good luck w/ M.E. it really really does suck!
right, first of check my profile, i'm 20. I've been working for the last 6 years, part time, full time during the holidays and during part of my a-levels (too much money to say no, grades suffered!) I'm a dislexic, but i'm 9 percentile points away from been clinically illiterate. My first job, was a paper round, which i was unable to do for 12 months, on account off been seriosuly ill. My point is, iff you ill, then yes, have benefits. If they just have no job. Screw em. Now to tell me that you can't live on £50 a week, goto univeristy, when mummy and daddy try as they might, can't pay your way for you. £50 a week, gets you good quality food, plenty of drinking, new cloaths, and even PC parts. When all your important (roof + heating + water) are taken care off. My ranting is aimed at people who tolerate people getting £50 a week when they've been off work for 1 year or more. Send em to a shrink yes, give them money for sitting on their arse, no. I've read the above post, and i can't fail to see its the free loaders, who seam to be a large majority of people who take advantage. This isn't hear say, this isn't specualation, i know people from the center i went to when i left secondary school (aged 14.5)
And what about those poor sods at Rover who've just lost their jobs through no fault of their own? To be honest you just come across as someone who's bitter about having a ******** job... Sam
No i'm bitter about my tax this year (still, its just really pinching this month). Anyone working for rover should of seen that comming, and prepared for it. All the papers were saying it was inevitable enless there was a bailout, and the sugestion from all i bothered to read (don't know about tabloids) was that wasn't going to happen. Now from what i've seen you've not read a lot of my points, granted my thought is often very scatty disjoint, and i just can't see spelling mistakes + chequers just make them worse, which can make it hard to see what i'm saying. But my point was the system rewards people who do nothing. The rover people will have to wait about 6 weeks to get ANYTHING. Say you've got 2 kids, a mortgage, 6 weeks is a long time. Now i'm not bitter about having a ******** job, i work part time, for 4 differn't jobs right now, the lowest paid one been £10 an hour, which i consider more charitable than my others (working with kids, getting them into higher education, mostly troubles kids). What sickens me, is the way the system rewards people who do nothing, and then people like you (who by the sounds of it have no experiance of the system) comend it! Imo if you've been working 12 months+ for a company, and get fired/layed off, you should get benefit imediatly, but only for 3 months (6 months housing). Thats more than enough.
How, exactly? There aren't exactly a lot of jobs for skilled workers in the longbridge area. It's not exactly easy to prepare for something like that. There are still whole mining communities that haven't recovered from the Tories policies in the eighties. It's not all that easy to just "get a job". I'm proud to have a benefits system where people in need get helped, yes. No, I'm not condoning freeloading, but it's a small price to pay. Sam
laminsated and on the wall, realism has reached a new point. now all we need is anachy, a few strikes and the world will be for the picking...