Is this Really True?

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  1. robbins1940

    robbins1940 Banned

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    If the min wage was at least £12.50 I would think about going for a job but at £4.85 it isn't worth it.
     
  2. slaw

    slaw At Argos buying "gold"

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    so you think its fine to take from society but not give anything back. maybe if you got of your arse and learned some skills, you may get paid more.

    so in the last 13 years, have you done any paid work?
     
  3. specofdust

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    Wow, the Scottish Socialists want the minimum wage around £8, and that's stupid. But £12,50?!? Assuming you're not ill, and are just choosing not to work, then you're really the problem that everyones talking about here.

    In the US they have a pitifull minium wage, it's around half of what we get. People don't jump on benefits all the time over there do they?

    On 4.85 you may not be able to live the life you always dreamed of, but if you were to actually work hard then soon enough you could be earning more then 4.85.

    Anyone with a simple understanding of economics could realise that right now we do not want an increase in the minimum wage. Companies are outsourcing unskilled work to countries where people don't moan and bitch if they don't have enough money to go about and get drunk once a week. Increasing the minimum wage would just encourage that, and cause more jobs to be lost, more people to be in unemployment, therefore fewer paying taxes, more on benefit. End result, taxes go up and/or benefits go down. That is not what anyone wants.

    Leeching of the system as you're doing is dispicable.
     
  4. TheAnimus

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    i assumed someone was joking :D

    Look, moving house is expensive, how many times do you think i've moved in my life outa curiosity? Its stressfull, tests relationships. Etc.

    But when theres massive un-employement in an area what can be done?

    When someones got children, and can't support them, theres extra money, so that £50 isn't made to stretch.

    When you've got water, warmth, thats all you need, you can go days without food. That £50 is more than enough. The time its not, is when your going to an interview a few miles away on the train.

    as i've said before illness is differen't.

    Minimum wage, you increase that to £12.50, and cap benefit to base inflation, and don't let that rise above 4% well, that would be a funny site. You'd find your water bill would almost double in a month!

    Take childcare, the new minimum wage increase, means the staff that look after the children, in the government ratio of 1:3, will need to be paid more (even when their not paid minumum to start with, they'll expect a rise).

    Say your working, and you have your child in care, which you have to pay for (voucher scheme has strings), and your having to pay 1rd of someones wage to start with. The point is there always have to be people on less money than some. When you give people petty cash of £50 a week, that warps things.
     
  5. robbins1940

    robbins1940 Banned

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    I have done no paid work. I worked damn hard throughout my school years. Left school with 6 gcse's and a dipoma in CPVE, Level 1 in business studies and yet swines in my year group who did bugger all and caused trouble during those years are better off than me.

    So if the Min wage isn't increased that would mean I would have to work 12 hours per day 6 days a week just to take home £200 after taxes.

    It just isn't worth the trouble, I don't see the point in it and I would end up burning myself out and for what?

    I am sorry if you don't agree with my viewpoint.

    If I had the guts and knowhow I would completely cut myself off from society alltogther learn to live off the land.
     
  6. slaw

    slaw At Argos buying "gold"

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    thats because they go to work! strange that eh? so what do you do with all your time? watch trisha?
    you should feel ashamed of yourself.
     
  7. robbins1940

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    I don't watch Television. I don't feel ashamed.
     
  8. slaw

    slaw At Argos buying "gold"

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    so you are proud that honest people like me go to work to pay for people like you to do nothing?
     
  9. robbins1940

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    I don't do nothing. If you read my first post in this thread you realised that I am on ICA. That is the Carers Allowance. I look after my Mom who is disabled. So you see I am not on fat backside 24/7.
     
  10. TheAnimus

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    he is honest about it.

    This is what i hate.

    you have no human rights to have a child

    you have no human rights to expect food

    you have no human rights to expect a roof over your head

    you have no human rights to expect clean water.

    But you should have the right to work for them thats what i've always been brought upto see.
     
  11. slaw

    slaw At Argos buying "gold"

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  12. slaw

    slaw At Argos buying "gold"

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    apart from if you were earning £12 per hour?

     
  13. TheAnimus

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    never said it was ok.

    but he does prove the point.

    someone who is in need of help, good food, clean water, roof + warmth. Thats awsome gift, the only other thing they might ask you for is education.

    poeple don't get that £50 is far to much, and i tried proving this with maths, got accused of been pissed off i earn too little :hehe:
     
  14. specofdust

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    Hmm, you should have explained that earlier, you shouldn't expect everyone to know what ICA stands for, most people will assume it's another form of benefits for people on the dole.

    Anyway, if you're looking after your mother full time, then I doubt anyone here will have anything against you. You're performing a role in society, and a compassionate one too.

    If you were just using excuses to basicly scrounge of the govt. because you didn't think it was worth your while working, then people more likely would have a problem with you.
     
  15. slaw

    slaw At Argos buying "gold"

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    i agree with you 100%. i know how difficult it is to look after someone as i spent 4 years looking after a terminally ill friend of mine. thats 4 long years from the age of 20. during this time, i worked 2 evening a week to support myself. personally i got the impression that this was an excuse from robbins1940 when i read this.

    if i am wrong, then i apologies.
     
  16. robbins1940

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    That is okay. I sometimes do give that impression. Been caring for the last 11 years and it is phyical and mentaly draining.
     
  17. chemo

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    now i know you are talking out of your arse!
    get off your high horse about it, get your head down go to your own job and pay your bloody taxes like a man. dont bitch about people getting a pittance to 'exist' on and grow up.
    sorry to be harsh but ive been trying to bite my lip to you all over this thread, you obviously know nothing about struggling and the way the sytem beats you down for actually putting a hand out, its very demeaning, and its meant to be that way to try to get you back to work as soon as possible.
    but ffs, how can you not see people without a roof over their head and some food in them!! it isnt a bloody prehistoric age you know.
    AND you still havnt recognised that people who claim benefits that have actually worked before DO deserve some sort of cover when times ARE hard dont you think? afterall theyve paid into the system too, just like you have.

    the only people causing trouble are the people who a ripping the system off, thats the problem, and thats the problem you should be making an argument with, not trying to belittle the lesser off out there or people in dire straights.

    i think your viewpoint is way off target. the innocent should NOT have to suffer for the pricks out there who sit on their butts all day getting XXXXXX amount of pounds for nothing.

    (that last point isnt pointed at you either robbins, i applaud your actions as it cannot be easy in your situation matey)
     
  18. bigal

    bigal Fetch n Execute

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    [snip, nuking this post]
     
  19. Uncle Psychosis

    Uncle Psychosis Classically Trained

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    Why? What's wrong with taking home a decent wage for a decent days' work?

    Think about it. The government aren't out to give everyone on benefits a life of luxury. Benefits are pretty much the minimum you can live on...But---"apparently"--- you can get the same on benefits as you can from working a ************ minimum wage job. TheAnimus seems to favour a "screw the unfortunate" approach, whereas I'm of the opinion that if we pay people a decent wage for a decent day's work then there's a far bigger incentive to find employment.

    Sam
     
  20. chemo

    chemo True Jungle Brother

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    i agree totally, the reason the benefits are as they are now id to let you get by for the short term you NEED to, i dont know anyone in their right mind that would want to sit on their backsides and not go to work, working isnt just about the pay cheque, its about feeling good about doing a days work and then youve got the social side of it. i think the government knows a hell of alot more than the animus and the benefits to me seems very fair, if not a little lower than some people may need, ie, with children at home etc. but they do what there meant to do, and really make sense of working.
    a job i had not so long back, only paid me about £40 a week more than the social did taking into account my housing and council tax, but i still felt it was worth going to work for the extra cash. one thing being on the dole does for you, it lets you see what total crap you spend your money on when in a job, when you have to cut back on spending you really value the money you actually earn so you can buy yourself things.
     

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