So, just to up the stakes a bit, who's been stolen from? Who's been in a real fight? Both of these are relevant. A bit of shoving is not a fight. Who's been in the emergency room, needed stitches, got dragged off or carried out? Who has thrown a blow, either in defense or in anger, and connected? I'll raise my hand to all the above. I am blessed to not have to deal with this any more, but I have had all the above happen. Let me tell you something-one shot does NOT decide things. I'll take the case of the rugby player. Will one shot floor you? I'd assume not, as you do play rugby, after all. So, let us go on with our assumption. Most of the criminals that I know that were busted on B&E were roughly the proverbial brick ****house. Many grew up abused, had the **** beaten out of them on a regular basis. They knew not only how to throw a punch but how to take one too. In fact, I've sparred with a few. They fight almost as dirty as I do. OK, so now we have a theoretical situation of two people who can take a blow and give one back. You know what happens now? It's now a dirty, nasty beating-one that will last until someone gets desperate, or someone goes down. And more often than not, if you go down, that criminal will make sure that at the least you won't get up to stop him-maybe won't get up, ever. This is now desperation-it's him or me, and it ain't me. I have fought to that point in a few matches, as well as a few times in real life-this is when the excrement hits the rotating cooling apparatus. Now, you have tired, SCARED, hurting combatants-more animals than human. They're pushed in a corner, and now items come out, the blows are aimed at throats, eyes, crotches, and the only thoughts distill down to kill or be killed. I still have some nasty scars from a few of those-broken noses, a few defense wounds from a broken bottle, broken ribs-these were shots meant to cripple. One did. If you want to fight, the other guy is probably better at it. He may or may not hand your ass back to you in three pieces. It's your deal. Even with my training, in a one on one fight I took a nose broken in three places, was stabbed with a broken soap dish and chipped a vertebra in my lower back. And I won. I was lucky enough to have the edge by being sober. If I throw a punch, I know there is a decent chance nowadays that if I don't incapacitate, I will be the one lying on the floor. I still rate my odds as good, but can you? Does it even cross your mind? For those who would talk of never throwing a punch but hitting an intruder, it's not as easy as it sounds. It's never as easy as it sounds, and if it ever gets that way, there's a problem. -Kayin, who's been there, done that, and who chews far more slowly for the multiple jaw breaks.