The freedom flotilla vessel should be reaching Gaza soon, they've packed it with as much humanitarian aid as possible. There's nothing but humanitarian aid on it but Israel have vowed to intercept it. Why!? In previous years it was not only intercepted but many on the ship were killed. One of the heroes who is on board goes by the name 'thiagoavilabrasil' on Instagram and is sharing regular updates, he has just updated his page with a short video showing them being intercepted by quadcopters and their radio communications being jammed. Really and truly hope they're OK. Very unsettling, such evil and depravity can still exist on earth today. https://www.irishtimes.com/world/mi...top-gaza-bound-yacht-carrying-greta-thunberg/
With Hamas intercepting then selling aid to the people of Gaza from a safety perspective it's not a surprise they don't want this ship to land. The Gazan people haven't exactly been shown to be the most friendly to women even if they shout "free gaza". Is it a shame that Isreal kills civilians? Yes. But is it very hard to only kill combatents when they refuse to wear any sort of identifying uniform and routinly use Women and Children as human shields? Yes. Is it a shame that Isreal has destroyed schools and hospitals? Yes. Is this required when Hamas are launching rockets from the roofs of said hospitals and schools and using them as bases? Yes. Even the civilian death numbers are suspect. Everytime any sort of research or investigation has been done into the Palestinian counts they've been widely innaccurate / fabricated. You'll note that Isreal basically have the opinion of stop launching rockets using aid money and give us back the hostages and this war ends. The view of the Gazan people is they want to genocide the whole of Isreal. Only one side could end this tomorrow if they wanted, Similar to Russia ending the war if they ****ed off back to Russia and left Ukraine. "why won't Isreal let gazan people in?". Go ask every other middle easten country. Jordan tried it and they tried to overthrow the country. Hamas / Gaza have the best PR arm on the planet.
Yes, if Israel removed their illegal settlements rather than planning more (iirc 20+ more in the West Bank) and got out of Palestinian land that would help. I want to see Hamas and Israeli politicians in an International Court.
Hamas brought this situation to the Palestinian people but, what Netanyahu is doing goes far beyond retaliation and stopping Hamas. He has used the situation as a smokescreen, to cover the Israelis taking Gaza for themselves and, couldn't care less how many Palestinians die as a consequence. What Hamas did, just gave him a convenient excuse to get on with it.
You need to be really, really careful about conflating Hamas and the entire Gazan / Palestinian people. Just like people need to be really, really careful conflating the Israeli government with all Israelis, or worse, all Jews.
This There are 4 sides to this conflict, and 2 of them are largely innocent bystanders who would rather everyone just get along , then you have Netanyahu and his government, ever expanding and instigating violence, because they knew they have the backing of the west, and Hamas, who ONLY get support because they are the only people fighting back and fighting the 'holy war' so they have support of half of the middle east under the table. Hamas need Netanyahu to be a giant expansionist butthole so they can get support and in return Netanyahu needs Hamas to be knobs, to justify his grip on power
The only places I've see those claims are in pro-Israeli blogs/media outlets. You are aware of the rhetoric being spewed by the hardliners in the Israeli government? Some have been sanctioned by several countries, including the UK. It is plausible to conclude that they aren't all that worried about how many are killed to take out a handful of combatants. Casualty figures reported by independent aid charities are also suspect then? They have shown to be much closer to Gazan health reports than any of the right wing reports. Given your apparent source for earlier claims, you can forgive me for questioning the veracity of these "investigations". Who? Gazan civilians or Hamas sympathisers? You appear to have conflated the two. Tens of thousands of murdered civilians being reported in the news is a PR spin?
**** me there's some brainwashed Zionists on here. I do think most of Israeli population is culpable as they don't speak out against it and in fact are for the forced evacuation of the true people of that land. The Europeans need to **** off back to Poland.
Do you consider that is acceptable for anyone here to tell any group to "go back where you came from", in your case not particularly caring if "they" actually came from your proposed destination? I don't.
Well, when they brutally invade (with guns, tanks, drones) and suppress the local population and commit a genocide then, yes. That's not immigration.
I think a referendum is warranted to see if the British people really want a state run by a terrorist organisation. I mean why stop there, let’s recognise ISIS states and Sudanese breakaway paramilitary groups too. Such endless possibilities.
I agree: I would definitely vote "no" on any referendum which called for recognition of the validity of the state of Israel. ...or was that not what you meant?
Exactly my point, either way it’s a very big decision either for or against. And if Reform get in they can rescind Labours recognition, but not so easily if the decision was made by referendum such as brexit was.
A quick reminder is needed, here, that the Brexit referendum was very specifically non-binding. As in, the government was entirely free to ignore it completely - and after it had chosen not to ignore it, it could have changed its mind and started ignoring it at any time.
@Pookie you still haven't made a convincing case for why this particular foreign policy decision requires a(n almost unprecedented) referendum. Why is recognition of the State of Palestine such an important decision that it requires the people of the UK to vote on it? And would this be a binding or non-binding referendum? Bear in mind that 76% of UN members already recognise Palestine. Do they also "want a state run by a terrorist organisation"? And can you distinguish between Palestine and Hamas, Palestine and the PLO, or indeed between Israel and it's government?
I totally agree that people should make a stand and speak out. The problem is, people, being people, can't agree with each other about a single thing, and thus the individual dissenting voices are meaningless in the face of corruption, soldiers/police, money, and power. This does not make everyone culpable, it only makes us sheep, as I most definitely include myself in the powerless masses. It certainly makes anyone who agrees with what's going on culpable though.
@Pookie : too late - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cpw1qkyke4nt https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1969751392802750719
You said Most Polish emigration to Israel would have bee 60 to 75 years ago. And Poland was just one country that some came from Are you proposing to expel the population of Israel to a country they have never known? Which is presumably not at all the same as those wanting to expel the Palestinians form Gaza to Egypt or Jordan?
