Pentagon Report Warns on Climate Change Some examples given of probable scenarios in the dramatic report include: -- Britain will have winters similar to those in current-day Siberia as European temperatures drop off radically by 2020. -- by 2007 violent storms will make large parts of the Netherlands uninhabitable and lead to a breach in the acqueduct system in California that supplies all water to densely populated southern California -- Europe and the United States become "virtual fortresses" trying to keep out millions of migrants whose homelands have been wiped out by rising sea levels or made unfarmable by drought. -- "catastrophic" shortages of potable water and energy will lead to widespread war by 2020.
I ain't believing this one. El nino currently only affects the area around the pacific ocean. I'm not seeing how such drastic changes in climate can take place unless it's the result of a phenomenon such as el nino. I'll believe it when i see it.
More US Propaganda huh djgizmo? So are you saying Global warming doesnt exist and are you a Rush Limbaugh fan?
First Bush torpedoes the Kyoto treaty and now he changes it around to a military issue. Using nukes to protect water. As long as it is something military it is OK. Now Bush is going to use the military to protect the environment? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
No quite the opposite in fact. What the hell does someones political views have to do with believing this rumour anyway? No the earths temperature rising by like one degree isn't going to change that much for me, though that may be what's causing or adding to the effects of el nino. That sucks for the people who are affected by it but it's not not my problem though cause el nino doesn't affect europe, and i'm not the one doing the polluting. El nino is catastrophic for those poorer countries around the pacific ocean, but since when do any of us care how many of them starve? People are starving all the time in africa but does that affect our lives? Even if global warming is a problem, it's not exactly easy to stop it, and there's still no proof that the tiny ~1 degree rise in the earths temperature is actually caused by us burning fossili fuels. It could very well be the natural course of events. You have to keep in mind that scandinavia was covered by a helluva thick layer of ice not so long ago. Even if the rise in temperature is caused partly by us burning fossil fuels, and the temperature does rise by half a degree during my lifetime because of this, i don't mind. It's cold enough up here anyway.
I just wanted to clearify for myself thats all, Rush Limbaugh says Global warming is a libra saying, but we all know he is a cumquat....I to beleive in global warming....thou I dont ever remember hearing about El nino any time before the mid 90s. The US gov wont admit to global warming outright, so this is the next best thing without admitting it. This artical is going to help out the environmentalists.
El nino has allegedly been around for ages but some scientists suggest that it's much more common nowadays than it has been in the past. It's more of a problem, and it has been suggested that this is somehow affected by global warming, but we still don't know what causes global warming. The earths temperature changes from time to time. There were mammoths roaming around not so long ago. We don't know if the temperature change in the last 100 years is natural or if it's caused by us burning too much fossil fuels.
Actually, as far as the weather changes are concerned, I can see that happening at some point. All that's needed is a slight melting of the ice cap so that fresh water flows into the Atlantic which will shut down the Gulf Stream. That's what they theorize caused the last ice age and the UK will in fact be like Siberia. In addition, a significant melt in the ice cap will indeed cause global coastal flooding. I'm not sure what will happen after that, but it is feasable that the refugees will try to enter a larger country which will cause massive immigration and cause the closing of their borders. If it does get to that extreme, yea, portable water and food will be scarce in the 3rd world and coastal nations which may cause them to attack a neighbor which can cascade into global war. I'm not saying that this will all happen, nor am I agreeing with their assessment, but it can happen. We can also discover Atlantis was built by aliens this afternoon, but it can happen.
All I'm saying is these are the same people who predicted the southwest portion of California would be next to Alaska by the year 2000...
Arguing that global warming is a myth is like the tobacco companies or the oil companies adding lead to petrol claiming their products are harmless. Protects the shareholders, keeps up the standard of living they enjoy, delays the day. Everything forecast for the last 30 years or more is happening on schedule. But can anyone seriously believe anyone will do anything to significantly alter the situation, government or citizen? Cut down on flying? Use the car less? Use as much energy as a Third World citizen does? Not a chance. You may make the odd sacrifice for your children, but not for your great-great-grandchildren.
the shutting down of the gulf stream would lead this country into another ice age, during the last ice age most of this country down about as far as wheer London is was covered by around 1mile thick ice....most of the hills and valleys that we have today are due to the glaciers melting and moving slowly. If this happens to us we are all screwed....time to start living underground. And god knows where we're gonna get food from. No more North Sea and English channel, just a nice walk and fields. Global warming is true, but its also a natural event, us humans might have sped it on a slight bit but not that much. Either way within prolly a hundred years if the ice caps do melt too much we're as good as dead.
Actually 2nd and 3rd world countries account for most of the pollution today... Wish I could find the linkage, but these countries don't have any kind of regulation. This is why you can go to south Texas and see a disgusting haze across the border...
Whats funny is how the few days that planes werent allowed in the air after 9/11, during that time pollution drop by a huge percent (sorry I dont remember the amount) but it was enough to make a it noticable.
Yeah yeah, this was supposed to happen by 2000, per reports in 1970s. We've also got supervolcanoes, a potential massive undersea landslide on the continental shelf, potential magnetic field reversal, ad infinitum. I'm not interested in the most dire scenarios the global doomsters can project. I'm interested in what is likely to happen. People who run political causes or work off of grants have a vested interest in taking a range of scenarios that could unfold and promoting only the ones at the extremes. If NASA was run that way, everytime an asteroid came near the planet, they'd predict global catastrophe unless we poured 50 billion into asteroid defense projects.
I'm not talking pollution, I'm talking the main greenhouse gas, CO2. There's no contest between developed & under-developed countries. Backed up by the CIA There's no point in blaming poorer countries' industry, they're labour-intensive and can't afford the refinements. Anyway, it's quite often owned by some multinational taking advantage of the local cheap labour and loose regulations. Try appealing to their consciences. It's only about 50 years since my area was the dirtiest spot in the UK, with iron & steel works, power stations burning coal and every house with coal fires. And the word "smog" was coined to describe London's polluted fogs. Rather hypocritical to tell the under-developed countries to clean up their act, when they haven't got the fully-automated efficiency and high profit margins to afford it.
funnily enough, our debate today in 6th form was "this house proposes that global warming is a good thing". I must say there were some interesting points that I hadn't thought about before.
