1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Blogs It's time Valve owns up to its part in skin gambling

Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by Dogbert666, 8 Jul 2016.

  1. Dogbert666

    Dogbert666 *Fewer Staff Administrator

    Joined:
    17 Jan 2010
    Posts:
    1,613
    Likes Received:
    146
  2. ssj12

    ssj12 Member

    Joined:
    12 Sep 2007
    Posts:
    686
    Likes Received:
    1
    Classic NeoPets back like 15 - 20 years ago had slot machine games and other gambling styled games for their in-game currencies. And that site is meant for children under 13. And you could pay cash for in-game items and trade them as well. Its virtually the same.

    Honestly, it doesnt bother me very much at all. Scumbags like those scamming streamers who lied should be decried, but overall this is no better or worse then account selling in WoW, Clash of Clans, DBZ Dokkan Battles, etc.
     
  3. Gareth Halfacree

    Gareth Halfacree WIIGII! Staff Administrator Super Moderator Moderator

    Joined:
    4 Dec 2007
    Posts:
    12,402
    Likes Received:
    1,814
    I once won the jackpot on the Neopeia Lottery. Spent the whole wodge on my own private island. They took the cash, but never unlocked my island. I never played NeoPets again.

    It still hurts, even today.
     
  4. mi1ez

    mi1ez Active Member

    Joined:
    11 Jun 2009
    Posts:
    1,436
    Likes Received:
    18
    By the same standard, shouldn't most free games be removed from Play/iTunes?
     
  5. Bluephoenix

    Bluephoenix Spoon? What spoon?

    Joined:
    3 Dec 2006
    Posts:
    968
    Likes Received:
    1
    if it stops the rampant abuse of player psychology to make players into ATMs instead of using it for making fun games, I don't see the problem.

    with great power comes great responsibility, and the games industry is due for a dose of responsibility with how hard some developers are willing to abuse the ability they have to shape the play habits and spending habits of their userbases, especially those with low self-control (there are a few slimy examples of designers explicitly targeting this population segment)
     
  6. Xir

    Xir Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    26 Apr 2006
    Posts:
    5,250
    Likes Received:
    88
    I don't quite understand what it is they're doing...but I've never been attracted to any kind of gambling anyway.
    NOr to in-game-buys really.
     
  7. JakeTucker

    JakeTucker Member

    Joined:
    10 Jul 2015
    Posts:
    324
    Likes Received:
    7
    I read this comment at the weekend and i'm still annoyed on your behalf, Gareth.
     
  8. Main Scratcher

    Main Scratcher New Member

    Joined:
    4 Jul 2016
    Posts:
    28
    Likes Received:
    0
    May I ask what happened? Did you win in-game currency which you spent, but never received the in-game goods? I apologize if you rather not talk about it. Please ignore if so.

    Sorry if this belongs in its own thread but:

    I thought I had followed video games for the longest of time, yet I had not heard of NeoPets. I went on Wikipedia to read about it and was surprised to learn about their methods of making money, especially how directed at children they were.

    I remember playing Shenmue back in 1999 (Japanese version) and loved how the game incorporated famous brands with their in-game items and environment. In NeoPets they speak of immersive advertising and I wonder if it is slightly similar? The inclusion of online marketing surveys was a little shocking. The US version of Shenmue has a Teen rating, which means that content is generally suited for ages 13 and up.

    This is the same as the NeoPets age limit, right? But here you can buy items with real money. Do 13 year olds have credit cards now or are they still using their parents'?

    Is the game still alive and kicking using the same in-game economy and marketing methods?
     
  9. DbD

    DbD Member

    Joined:
    13 Dec 2007
    Posts:
    482
    Likes Received:
    10
    Tbh I had never considered the detail of this. As someone who doesn't give a **** what his gun looks like this sort of business had always seemed like a way for people to part with their money funding valve to make games that end up very cheap for people with more sense like me to play.

    However yes it is quite clearly gambling, and if I caught my 14 year old doing that I'd come down on them like a ton of bricks.

    Oh 13 year old's don't get credit cards but they do get debit cards which can be used to pay for steam games and by extension to gamble on these sites (obviously the money has to be in the account first).
     
  10. JakeTucker

    JakeTucker Member

    Joined:
    10 Jul 2015
    Posts:
    324
    Likes Received:
    7
    You don't even need the debit card, you can sell items on your steam account to get money to spend on skins/ect.
     
  11. Gareth Halfacree

    Gareth Halfacree WIIGII! Staff Administrator Super Moderator Moderator

    Joined:
    4 Dec 2007
    Posts:
    12,402
    Likes Received:
    1,814
    Yes. NeoPets had an in-game currency, which you could earn by playing games. One of the games you could play was a lottery, which worked exactly like a real lottery: you paid in-game currency for a ticket (or tickets) and if your numbers were picked, you won. I bought a ticket - my first and only - and my numbers came up, to the tune of some massive amount of in-game currency. With so much cash burning a hole in my pocket, I opted to buy a private island - the most expensive thing you can do in-game. The currency was deducted from my account immediately, but the purchase process warned it could take up to a week for the island to be unlocked (I'm guessing, here, that it's a manual process, likely thanks to the fact that nobody except a rare lottery winner could ever afford to buy one in the first place.)

    A week went by. Then two. Then three. Emails to customer services were ignored. So, I stopped playing.

    To be honest, I was never a massive NeoPets fan. I just liked the minigames, an itch which could be easily scratched on any Flash site ever. Oh, and no real-world money ever changed hands: the only thing I truly lost was my time.
     
  12. Dogbert666

    Dogbert666 *Fewer Staff Administrator

    Joined:
    17 Jan 2010
    Posts:
    1,613
    Likes Received:
    146
  13. Main Scratcher

    Main Scratcher New Member

    Joined:
    4 Jul 2016
    Posts:
    28
    Likes Received:
    0
    Thanks for the explanation. I wonder, did they continue offering this lottery type and do you know if anybody else ever won enough in-game currency to afford something similar, and if so, did they end up getting it?
     
  14. JakeTucker

    JakeTucker Member

    Joined:
    10 Jul 2015
    Posts:
    324
    Likes Received:
    7
Tags: Add Tags

Share This Page