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Hardware KFA² GeForce GTX 560 EX OC Review

Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by arcticstoat, 24 Jun 2011.

  1. arcticstoat

    arcticstoat New Member

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  2. xaser04

    xaser04 Ba Ba Ba BANANA!

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    Once again this is wrong. The ROP count on the GTX560 is 32 just like the GTX460. The ROPs and memory controllers are seperate from the Shader Modules and are grouped 8 at a time (4 memory controllers with 8 ROPs each; for a total of 32). The GTX560 (460) have all memory controllers operational and thus it has 32 ROPs.

    The below link shows a high level overview of the GF114(104):

    http://www.anandtech.com/show/4344/nvidias-geforce-gtx-560-top-to-bottom-overclock

    No other review I have read has shown anything but 32 ROPs for this card, where are BIT getting a reduction of 4 from?!
     
  3. Glix

    Glix Left Thumb Stick in the mud.

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    Herp a derp, my 4870 doesn't do DX11, so why has it been included in the benchmarks for DX11?
     
  4. Cei

    Cei pew pew pew

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    This is what the 560 should have been at launch, a significantly cheaper card with good performance.
     
  5. xaser04

    xaser04 Ba Ba Ba BANANA!

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    The GTX560 was available at this price from launch. I remember seeing a few below £150 on overclockers right on launch day. BIT only reviewed a very expensive model that had no reason to exist (thanks to the GTX560TI and HD6950).
     
  6. Cei

    Cei pew pew pew

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    Ah, fair point. I hadn't looked too closely as I've got a 560Ti ;)
     
  7. Kamikaze-X

    Kamikaze-X New Member

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    is it me, or does it just show that none of these new cards are really worth it, unless you can tell the difference between DX10 and DX11?

    The 4870 provided a perfectly playable framerate in most of the tests, and up to large resolutions. why would we want to upgrade during this generation? My 4890 will be running until it gets very long in the tooth.
     
  8. Baz

    Baz I work for Corsair

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    D'oh, this is, of course, correct. Sorry for any confusion. Copy changed.

    In regards to the 4870 and other DX10 GFX card numbers, yes, they do use the DX9 renderer, and are included for legacy comparisons. If people think this is misleading somehow, I'll remove them, and all the non-DX-11 compliant cards from the results, but I always thought they were a nice legacy inclusion.

    While we were aware of cheaper GTX 560 (Non-Ti) at launch, these weren't the cards partners were interested in sending in. Happily prices have settled now, with the GTX 560 carving out a space in the market, especially now the GTX 560 Ti is much more expensive than it has been.
     
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  9. Cei

    Cei pew pew pew

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    I think it needs to be clearer that they are DX9/10, possibly a label next to the cards?
     
  10. Adnoctum

    Adnoctum Kill_All_Humans

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    NoNoNoNo!!! Don't remove them!
    I, along with many I suspect, still have a 4870 card.
    We always whinge that there isn't a slightly older card in the mix for comparison, so I love the fact it is in there. Even those from the *other side* can see the numbers and get a good feel for how their <insert countless G92 cards here> compares.

    If people are having an issue, perhaps a bracketed (DX9) after the 4870 would do?
     
  11. Baz

    Baz I work for Corsair

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    xaser04 Ba Ba Ba BANANA!

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    Thanks Baz for correcting the ROP point.

    TBH the HD5770 can be used as a good proxy for GTX260/HD4870 performance so I don't see a problem with removing the latter cards from the graphs to avoid confusion. I would however like to see them included in games that arn't DX11.
     
  13. fingerbob69

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    Why the hell you do that??? Cei and Adoctum, the only two to comment on this point so far where both infavour of keeping them. So am I. Atleast let's have some debate.
     
  14. McSteel

    McSteel Shape Memory Alloy

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    Why is that card staring at me angrily?
     
  15. Cei

    Cei pew pew pew

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    Poor decision, seriously. There's definite value in being able to compare older cards, even if they're running DX9/10 - I'd imagine that most people wait 2-3 generations, if not longer, to upgrade GPUs, so they need to see what their old card stacks up like. When I was purchasing my 560Ti, I was trying to compare with an 8800GT...

    Stick a label in brackets afterwards - ie: ATi HD4870 (DX9)
     
  16. Lizard

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    I've asked Harry to re-insert the test results of the old cards into the graphs, so they'll be back in shortly. We'll now mark them with a DX9 or DX10 appendage where appropriate to flag up its the same game, but not the same test settings as the more modern DX11 cards.
     
  17. Cei

    Cei pew pew pew

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    Thanks Lizard, perfect solution :)
     
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    leexgx CPC hang out zone (i Fix pcs i do )

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    good idea to keep some older dx9/10 cards as some of the older cards can keep up in a lot if cases
     
  19. Glix

    Glix Left Thumb Stick in the mud.

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    I don't see the point in including the 4870, I love my card to death, but admit it's getting on a bit now and it's performance is around the 5770 minus DX11 features (yes it can tessellate, but thanks to AMD slipping it in early, no developer bothers to do the AMD specific calls to get it working).

    Including it in benchmarks is only fair if it is stacked with the same settings!
     
  20. OCJunkie

    OCJunkie OC your Dremel too

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    Thanks Lizard, that's the sensible solution. Sorry, but you don't just completely remove stuff that's still very relevant. Alot of people are still running these older cards because they're holding up, and when reading reviews it makes it easier to see where you stand and how upgrades are looking.
     
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