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Scratch Build – In Progress LAZARUS - Skulltrail D5400XS + QX9775

Discussion in 'Project Logs' started by Polarblair, 17 Dec 2016.

  1. Polarblair

    Polarblair New Member

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    Foreword:
    This project has already moved on beyond the initial render below but I wanted to show where things started and the subsequent development.

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    PROJECT LAZARUS

    Overview
    Used to have two PNY Quadro 3700s as this was my CAD rig.
    Its no longer really needed for that so after receiving some currys vouchers I threw in the ASUS STRIX GTX 960
    I know this won't compare to a modern gaming rig and that the hardware is very outdated. In all honesty I don't even really play a lot of games.
    I do however have a soft spot for this machine and love tinkering so this will be watercooling for the sake of watercooling and overclocking more than anything else.

    Mainly, I want to push this thing to see what it can really do, and if it can still hold its own.



    Aim
    No harm in having an idea of the end result. Phase 1 will just be focusing on the hardware and getting a stable overclock.
    I can always look at hardline and the other mods once its up and running.
    This is my first stab at the design. The loops looks a little messy in the basement but this will all be flexible tubing so less of a worry.
    Looking for feedback and obvious mistakes.



    Existing Hardware

    Going to be reusing most of these parts to keep costs sensible
    Parts to be replaced marked red

    Case Silverstone TemJin TJ07B-W
    Mobo Intel D5400XS Skulltrail - 2no. Intel QX9775 @3.2GHz
    CPU 2no. Intel QX9775 @3.2GHz
    RAM 8 GB Corsair DDR2 667MHz FB-DIMM
    SSD 250gb samsung 850 evo
    PSU1300W Tagan TG1300-BZ
    GPU ASUS STRIX GTX 960


    Outstanding Issues

    Fill/ Bleed
    Still need to figure out the best place to splice in the bleed valve. Currently have the taps positioned next to the pumps.
    Reservoirs are filled from lines accessed on the other side of the case.

    Sensor/ Controller
    Need some pointers on the control scheme for the waterloop. I already have an Aquaero 4 controller.
    If I use fan splitters will this be enough for my purposes? I'm assuming the pumps can be run without electronic control and just set at a constant rate?

    Any advice would be appreciated - Thanks for Looking :)
     
  2. Polarblair

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    Just in case there was doubt that this will just be a virtual reality design exercise - more kit is on the way!

    Will have to see if ram cooler fits (I'm sure I can MAKE it fit)

    Radiator - £65
    RAM cooler - £30
    Job lot of EK fittings - £49

    Seeing as this project has gone beyond growing arms and legs - I'll have to keep the cost's down somehow! :D

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    Decided on RAD setup - 3 loops - 3no. Alphacool NexXxoS 480mm UT60

    Now is it better to :
    1. have the fans pull air into the case through the top, front and back of the case, through the rads and out and out the side panel - top four fans pulling air into the case
    2. have the fans pull air from from the side panel, through the rads and vent into the case. Top fans exhausting straight up - remaining air flowing out of the front and back


    Leaning to option 1 as hot air is exhausted out the side. That being said, option 2 sucks fresh air directly from the outside. Can always test both configs to see what works best.


    Ignore the colour scheme - still playing with the idea of UV Reactive :D

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    Design Update

    This should be the design fairly locked-in now. The aim here is now basically to model up the design to figure out how the T-slot sub frame, hinges, plates and fittings all go together.
    All this prep should mean less surprises. The plan is now to look at sponsorship even if its a long shot - hence the alphacool colour scheme and components (some of which I already have).

    Looking at the reviews and long term user feedback it also seems that the only really long term stable coolants are straight up distilled water and some of the very basic pre-mixed blue coolants which work just fine for me.

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    Rad Array

    I have the space, so I'm going to use it. It also allows plenty of room for expansion even if I don't fill all 4 Rad Bays straight away. I'm now looking at possibly replacing the current GTX 960 with 2no. Gtx 980 watercooled. More heat, more rads! :thumb:

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    Access

    I've designed this to hinge on one edge so the whole frame can be swung free of the case for maintenance and general access during assembly. Due to the weight involved, I will probably have to build in some drop down feet to support the frame while its extended.

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    Sub Frame

    The whole sub frame willl be made out of 20x20mm T-slot extruded aluminium. I can weld it where needed to keep fitting costs down or benefit from the easy construction. Its pretty much grown up lego. This should substantially beef up the frame and make handling and moving the whole unit much safer. I have removed the second case in the images to expose the frame making things easier to see. Some additional bracing will probably be required at the front to keep the upright where the hinges are connected solid.

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    Fan & Rad Array

    This gives a better view of how the frame fits into the side and where the hinges are located. They look small but there are lots of them and they are heavy duty. Most of the time the whole assembly will be resting directly on the sub-frame anyway so they should only be under load when access is required. Not pictures are the 2mm separating pads which will sit in the small gap between the Rad-Frame and the Sub-Frame. This will reduce friction and add a nice bit of slack in (pad can then be sized at the end to fit gap width)

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    Frame Construction

    The Rad Array Frame looks more complicated than it is. I'll build each frame out of 20x20mm angles (3mm thick). Once these are assembled, I can slide them over a jig with the required hole spacing and cut the curved sections last to give the Gentle Typhoons the clearance they need.

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    Feedback

    As always, love to hear feedback - criticism is always welcome.
     
  3. Polarblair

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    Did a bit more work on the waterloop. I'm pretty happy with it so far. Can already tell its going to be a pain to drain but so far I'm thinking draining straight from the ports on the radiators will be a pretty safe bet.

    The North bridge block now shares the same loop with the CPU's but I'm compensating for the extra load with two of the Alphacool 480mm UT60 radiators.

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    Unicorn RAM

    So my initial research dug up the only 800MHz CL4 RAM I think was ever produced. The Kingston Hyper X FB-DIMMs. Well, I don't want to count my chickens but I managed to track down a full set :D
    Wait and see if they're still serviceable but I'm getting them for a tiny fraction of what they used to cost so its worth the risk!

    These things were designed with the Skulltrail board in mind and could be overclocked with 3-4-3-12 timings at 800MHz. Only 4GB total so unsure if capacity will impact performance. One thing is for sure though - they're as fast as it gets.

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    Cables & Fan Controller

    Mate had a set of sleeved cables which will do nicely for now. Extra fan controller will let me dome some basic testing once the fans arrive. Will be trying to run everything from the Aquaero 4 but still need to do a bit more reading on that.
    Looking to control 3 pumps, 32 fans on the radiators and another 6 case fans.

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    Fans Arrived!

    You might be thinking "I'm sure I've seen those fans somewhere before"

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    Those who have been following Reglar's Project Second Pass Build over on Overclock.net as well as the original Pandamonium build will immediately recognise the bright pink Gentle Typhoons.
    Very kindly donated to the cause, I have already decided that these will live on in their fantastic pink state - all 30 of them! :D


    I really need to stop making impulse buys while im browsing tinternet on the throne.

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    I may have just bought an Alphacool Monsta 480mm Rad.
    "Where on earth do I plan on fitting that?!" I hear no one crya

    Well, I may not just be getting one but two. More on that later :D


    Second TJ07 case has arrived!

    Can now get on with the fabrication side of things as well as the Rad-array :D

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    Yup - fits.

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    Fatman1 has landed!

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    Think I may need a bigger desk...

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  4. Cheapskate

    Cheapskate Insane? or just stupid?

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    While I love what you have planned, (It's wacky levels of overbuild,) I don't think a Temjin qualifies as a scratch build.:lol:
     
  5. Polarblair

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    Hi Cheapskate - I guess I put it down as scratch build as I'm at the point where I'm retaining very little of the original Temjin uni-body and even that is being cut down so that all that remains are the 'two rails' which run along the edges as well as the base with all other panels being cut out and rebuilt. I may also be replacing the rear panel which is currently the only other original TJ07 element in the build.

    It didn't feel quite like a case mod as the new configuration involves the formation of a cube case and an entirely separate sub-structure to support components like the separating bulkhead and the Rad-Array.

    It certainly started off as a case mod but has changed fairly substantially since then

    That being said, if it doesn't qualify, my mistake - is it easy enough to change?
     
  6. Cheapskate

    Cheapskate Insane? or just stupid?

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    It's not that important. -especially if you post building porn.
     
  7. Polarblair

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    Monst RAD

    Well if you liked that - I've dressed up one of the Monsta Rads in a cheeky little pink number :D

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    Fan Control

    Planning on using three of the 4pin fan connectors from the board to run some silverstone splitters. Should simplify things as far as the Aquero4 is concerned.

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    Monitoring

    Dumb direct monitoring to show temps. One day might hook in a fancy Aquero5 with PWM pumps but for now needing to save some pennies.

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    Fire & Molten Metal

    HTS 2000 Brazing Rods have arrived. Just need to find me some cheap T-slot aluminium. Will probably weld the two aluminum uni-bodies together then use an automotive body filler to make the join disappear.

    Would take too long to build it up in welds and be less cost effective anyway. Should be an easier job to sand and prep for paint too.

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    Ram on the way!
    16GB total (max capacity for this board) 4no. 4GB DDR2 FB DIMM 800MHz
    Standard timings of 555-11
    A little more voltage and tighter timings should squeeze a bit more out of these sticks.

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    **** me. Got enough fans in there? Are you building a wind tunnel?
     
  9. saxovtsmike

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    where do you plan to mount the psu ? Your last pic the "radiator TJ" is stuffed with 4x480 monsta´s, and the Hardware TJ, has one really fat 480 in the bottom, too ?
     
  10. Polarblair

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    Only the two radiators in the basement are Monsta rads. The rest are UT60's so there is space to have the PUS standing up against the bulkhead on the same level as the hinged rad array with enough clearance for airflow (not pictured is the shelf it sits on which extends from the shelf the rad array sits on)

    Had 30 of the Gentle Typhoons kindly donated to the cause so it would be rude not to use them no? :D
    Plus many fans and large rad area make light work. Without the increased heat load from an overclock I bet the system could run just using the radiators passively without the fans even on.

    I now have people suggesting adding peltiers into the mix but that does seem one step too far. The risk from damage via condensation seems a bit too high and it looks like its far from an off-the-shelf solution.
     
  11. kim

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    I really enjoy your project, the renders are just outstanding as the idea itself, and I put a crush on those Kingston RAM, I never saw them before, and it seems hard to find as it's old DDR2, I mean with this specific design radiator on, I didn't found the same even on Amazon....anyway, I follow this...
     
  12. Polarblair

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    Work life has taken over -apologies for the silence.

    Unfortunately the deal fell through with the North and Southbridge blocks I managed to track down. Until I get them, this project is dead in the water.

    I'm putting any further expenditure on hold until I manage to source the elusive parts. I'll update as soon as something changes.

    Anyone able to point me in the right direction sourcing these parts, I would greatly appreciate the help.
     

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