Apple Mac + Intel = More Games for MAC?

I am in the same position as K, the only thing I cant do on my Mac is game.

Im fairly confident Kaze is another of the "Macs are crap thats why I have never used one" brigade, who prefer to base their opinion on the views of others.

Yes the news that Adobe and Microsoft aren't ever releasing their applications for intel macs is just awful [/sarcasm]

 

As a matter of fact I ordered a MacBook Pro, mainly cause it can run Vista but thats beside the point.
Mac's have some benefits but they also have there limitations, Windows tends to have more software choice and Mac OS's tend to be too picky.
For example a Mac with limited Ram will refuse to open certain large PSD or TIFF files, where as the same system on a PC will do the job. Mac's with limited CPU Power will refuse do certain tasks such a write DVD Files, Convert Large Media Formats Etc.
Twice on a Mac, I've had to move projects over to my PC because the OS refused either due to ram limit or CPU frequency limit.
Mac's are the only system that require regular OS Upgrading in order to stay up to date with the latest software, I've seen many Mac system that won't install the latest Quick Time because the OS was not upgraded.
Sure Mac's have there benefits, but they aren't the magical system that many people seem to make them out to be.
With all that Bashing I will have to say Mac's spend money on Hardware Assembly they make good reliable hardware, but thats all Mac has on me.

Now Mac Fans thrash away.

 

Just a couple of points:

You say you need to update the OS to be able to run newer software - isnt that also true on windows PCs? OS 10.2 is still being supported and that is (at a guess) 4 years old. Yes its almost impossible to find new software for OS9 and early versions of OSX, but then nobody writes new software for win98 or ME anymore (and to an extent 2000, its all XP, XP, XP these days).

I've never been told by my ibook that I cant do something because it was too limited by its hardware. I've run some fairly heavy duty sound and image editing using 500mb plus files and not had a problem (except it being slow) despite only having 256mb ram. Did this happen on a recent mac? Besides, isn't it better that the computer 'admits' it cant do something rather than try, fail and crash.

I do agree that some fanMACtics (woo new word!) believe their systems to be infallible (sp?), and thats just silly. Love for macs is infectious though! For example I took my ibook to uni today to watch a film in a lecture theatre. Lots of people came down to the front to play with it and all were very impressed by how slickly everything worked - the VGA out worked by itself, the wireless internet connected itself and nothing crashed There were also many comments about how pretty the ibook is

 

The iBook is very pretty from the outside, but it's damn ugly and grey on the inside. I don't understand why they've done that. The older G3 ones looked much nicer. Powerbook Ġw, anyway

 

FACT: An IBook I use to use about 2 years old now, would not open any PSD files over 1gig in size period and it had 512 Megs of Ram, it wouldn't create DVD files complaining the CPU was not fast enough. Not that it crashed but it wouldn't even try, that pisses me off more than it crashing in an feint attempt.
The same spec PC opened the same PSD file after about 3 minutes of trying, and never complained about DVD creation.
These are just a few problems I've personally had with Mac, it's surprising most Mac users even though they know Mac's have these shortcoming never choose to complain but rather just live with it. I gotta say Mac users are loyal I'll give them that.

 

Do you know anyone else who had these problems? If I had problems like that I would complain, but I've never experienced anything like that when burning or ripping DVDs, or using large PSD files, so I dont complain! In fact I have found DVD creation and ripping to be one of the nicest things about my mac (hello iDVD, I love you)

Perhaps it was user error? (not saying I dont believe you or think you're an idiot, I've just never heard of this problem before!)

 

Well I'm more of PC guy so can;t really pretend to be a Mac Guru, but personally both the PSD File and DVD thing happened to me and another Mac user.
Once on an Mac G4 Desktop, with 512 megs of ram, I tried opening a PSD file it was a huge landscape poster with countless layers at insane resolution and insane DPI, it should have been saved as Quark but I recieved the final composite in PSD. The file was 1.2 Gigs and tried opening it and bam I got this message Insufficient Ram unable to open file. The exact same thing happened when I tried opening it on a IBook, this was 2 years ago. I moved the PSD file to my trusty old PC, and it took over 3 minutes with the screen frozen but finally the file opened.
As for the DVD, a buddy of mine was trying create a demo DVD and we tried to make it on an Ibook the file was complete but the Mac refused to write the final VOB composite saying something like Insufficient CPU Speed or something to that extend.
These are only too examples that I can remember, but I vaguely remember Macs denying me numerous times on misc tasks, with a simple message saying unable to do it too bad.
On a PC the computer will rather freeze and crash then to simply refuse but on Macs they seem to think a denial is better than a missed attempt which is rediculous because 90 percent of the times the PC will complete the task even if it takes 2 days.
So in all my opinions are that Macs are pansies that give up before they even try. I'm sure it's not a hardware limitation but rather a stupid OS limit, which is why I'm all for Macs running Vista.

 

what aload of crap, i've never had a problem like this with my ibook, and the fact that it tells you it cant do sumthing is because it knows that it cant, id rather have a computer say it cant do sumthing than it just frezzing on me and not have a clue whats going on - WINDOWS

 

No point in arguing those were some of my problems with Macs, that I wanted to share. You can make up excuses or continue on Fanboying Mac, my point is Mac's aren't magical they have there problems just like PC and the reason why a whole legion of Mac Fans hasn't jumped on my so called BS is because they know what I say is true.
What I claim is from personal experience, I'm not just making sht up to trash Macs. Maybe you haven't experienced the same problem because you have a fast Mac or you only use Macs to watch porn who the hell knows but I happen to actually use computers to do work and I'm telling you Mac OS sets a limitation on what the system can do. You can call it a good thing or say it's a saftey feature but thats a saftey feature I'd rather live without, like I said the same spec PC opened the same PSD file but took forever.
I'd rather wait half an hour for something to work then to be told I can't do it at all. Maybe there's a setting to bypass this limit, but like I said I'm no Mac guru.
P.S It's rude to call someone a liar when you don't know WTF they're talking about, now go use Mac for something other than porn and maybe you'll one day bump into the same problem I had.

 

You're teetering over the edge here. Accusing someone of being rude then making that comment is pretty contradictory, wouldn't you agree?

 

I wasn't acusing you of lying, i was disagreeing with what you said about pcs and macs.
And i dont have a particularly fast mac, and i dont use it for porn. Infact one of the main things i do on it is burning DVD's using idvd and ive never ever had a problem with it.

 

Kaze, I'm not sure any (sane) people are calling mac's magical - that just seems to be then impression that mac-haters get of the people who use macs - that we all love them like our own mothers. OSX does have its drawbacks, and more prominently so does the hardware (we shall see if intel chips will speed them up), but everyone who uses a mac for an extensive period of time agrees that OSX is a far sight better than windows, except you it seems.

It seems these problems are limited to you and your friend

ps. dont get angry anyone, this was a nice discussion until this afternoon.

 

and me!
i try and stay out of these arguments now tho, cant win, too many mac people on these boards now

 

I was pointing out a fact that I had problems with a Mac I use to use with opening large PSD files and writing DVDs, then this guy comes outta nowhere says "what aload of crap". I don't know if that doesn't piss you off than I don't know what will.
If you disagree cause you didn't have the problem thats fine, but being rude just to defend your own views.

 

Be aware that the moderators are keeping an eye on this discussion.

As it is, it's veered wildly off course - this discussuon is supposed to be about the possibility of more games for the Mac due to the intel migration, not a "Macs / PCs / OSX / Vista / Jacquard Looms with punched card readers rock, whatever you have sucks" thread.

As for getting Windows (whichever flavour) to work on an Intel based Mac, as far as I'm aware no one has managed to achieve this yet. There is a donation funded prize that will go to the first person to get Windows to boot reliably on the new hardware - but It's not been claimed yet.

So - GOO returns you to our scheduled programming. It'd be nice to think that there may be more games more the Mac due to the change, but I'm really not that bothered myself. When I did my switch, I just bought a PS2 at the same time, which caters for all my gaming needs (sort of - I still miss decent space flights sims and things like Neverwinter Nights, although you can now get Freespace 2 working on your PowerPC based macs)

 

I am an AVID CS:S (Counter-Strike Source) Player and would really like to scrap my PC. As of right now I have 3 pc's but only 2 act as gaming pc's. I always have problems (not bad problems but rather just a bunch of small ones) with windows, and I am to the point where I am done with them. I watch my friend leave is mac on all night and have no problems with it. He stays connected to limewire almost constitnently and rarely shuts it down. When a program crashes it tells you something is wrong and then continues to shut down that program only. Not the entire system!