Original story And what are we discussing in the American media? Obama's pastor and Whether hillary likes beer
The Russia doesn't really like the idea of US nukular missiles just over its border and the usual crop of idiots running US foreign policy. Obama's pastor's comments brought home the sad truth about Americans. They cannot accept the slightest or most justifiable criticism of America, it's un-American, and when from a fellow American, unpatriotic.
It's amazing that they get away with questioning his partiotism. The good reverend did 2 tours ijn Vietnam and was a medical tech to the president at one point. This is how we treat out heros.
Ok, well what about their recent aggression in Georgia? What about their recent "democratic" election? What about their refusal to give any help to the British in the Litvinenko case (and shield the prime suspect)? What about when they cut off Gas to the Ukraine? The list goes on. US Foreign policy can be questioned, but Russia hasn't exactly been well behaved recently.
True but if you boot out Russia for the above then you might as well disband the whole thing, every country it has its share of dodgy practises.
Neither has been Israel, Pakistan, China, and any of the other countries that we're so well-disposed towards. You don't know half of what is going on, on the global stage... And trust me when I say that Russia does not have an entirely unreasonable grudge against the West for its involvement in "rebuilding" its economy after the fall of Communism.
Oh do hush now Nexxo. Russia chose communism, it was never our duty to be all pally to Russia after communism broke their whole damn country. Sure, it may have been the smart thing to do and perhaps we missed a trick there, but the russians have got what their forefathers planted for them. A crippled, authoritarian, repressive state. The fact that they recently blew a Georgian UAV out of the sky would, from any other country, be deemed an act of war and responded to very harshly. The russians have nukes, so the world has to put up with them every time they throw all the toys out of the pram - but we sure as hell don't owe them anything, and there's no way I'm ever going to feel sorry for the buggers.
Russia: Nothing will happen towards Russia as we (Europe) need their gas and this reliance is not going to change anytime soon. China: No Western leader (well apart from Sarkozy) has complained recently about China (because of Tibet etc) is because we don't want to upset them - as there is so much money invested in China. They can also point to human right's problems in the rest of the world and in the "West's" past and they have a point. Israel: Its a difficult one, all of the sides have done terrible things and it is pretty difficult to work out what's right. All in all, it is a matter of perspective - going back to whether the state of Israel has the right to exist or not. As far as I'm concerned its too damn complicated.
It really isn't. Israel has commited or at the very least facillitated acts of genocide, and commits acts of collective punishment on a regular basis. It's not complicated, Israel is in the wrong whether palestinians are or not.
I'm sure there are many people that would strongly disagree with you - I'm not going to get involved in a discussion about Israel. You can argue convincingly either way and get a lot of people angry - I've found that its not worth the effort.
They're welcome to disagree with me. They're also welcome to argue that Pluto is made of origami paper. Facts are facts whether people accept them or not.
McCain is a proper republican douche. My 2 cents. And if a nation should be kicked out of the 8-G because it's threatening another countries, not following international laws/rules of play then there would soon be no 8-G at all
Absolutely, they only have themselves to blame. But we did miss a trick (because we got a bit greedy) and now we got a bunch of Russians pining for the good ol' days of Communism. Not our fault, but still a wasted opportunity. Any other country, excluding N. Korea, China or Israel... Sounds like a cop-out to me. I agree with Spec that it really is not. But ask yourself whether complicated situations can really be resolved by simplistic actions like kicking Russia out of the G8. My feelings exactly. It seems to me that he is yet another Republican nutter hell-bent on stirring up trouble. Bush V2.0
