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mental fragmented files!!!

Discussion in 'Tech Support' started by dpl2007, 22 Feb 2008.

  1. dpl2007

    dpl2007 muh

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    can anyone tell me why I am getting this! :

    Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented
    1,056 11 MB \Documents and Settings\admin\Desktop\1st lot of japan\canon vids\MVI_0680.avi
    1,158 19 MB \Documents and Settings\admin\Desktop\1st lot of japan\canon vids\MVI_0496.avi
    1,270 23 MB \Documents and Settings\admin\Desktop\1st lot of japan\canon vids\MVI_0632.avi
    1,334 38 MB \Documents and Settings\admin\Desktop\1st lot of japan\canon vids\MVI_0659.avi
    1,076 41 MB \Documents and Settings\admin\Desktop\2nd lot of stuff japan\MVI_0040.avi
    25,192 1,024 MB \Documents and Settings\admin\Desktop\untitled\VTS_01_2.VOB
    25,347 1,024 MB \Documents and Settings\admin\Desktop\untitled\VTS_01_3.VOB
    26,440 1,024 MB \Documents and Settings\admin\Desktop\untitled\VTS_01_4.VOB
    26,526 1,024 MB \Documents and Settings\admin\Desktop\untitled\VTS_01_5.VOB

    basically windows xp says it cannot defrag these and some more files. I have about 25 GB free space (20 percent) and I am quiet sure that some of these files were written when I had loads of space left on the HD so why would they fragment and why cant I defrage a 11mb file! Any ideas? thanks! :jawdrop:
     
  2. badders

    badders Neuken in de Keuken

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    I would say that you should try defragging either in safe mode(first), or logged in as administrator?
     
  3. monkeybone

    monkeybone What's a Dremel?

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    Try the defrag in safe mode or try a different program such as diskeeper (works like a charm). It possible that the files aren't being defragged because they are in use by a program.

    Monkeybone
     
  4. dpl2007

    dpl2007 muh

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    Thanks by chance I had already downloaded diskeeper and its on its 2nd defrag - all those files cant be in use unless theres some kind of seriuos error! I had no other progs open. I am just concernd that an 11MB file got split into over 1000 fragments and I had about 50 GB free space at the time!!! Anyway diskeeper is doing better but the 1st defrag barely scratched the surfice of the red files!
     
  5. dpl2007

    dpl2007 muh

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    its also apeared to make some large white - unsused space after the first defrag and now those spaces have turned into blue spaces - high performing files and folders - I hope this isnt a problem too! I currently have 25 GB free space on a 127GB (150GB) HD.
     
  6. cpemma

    cpemma Ecky thump

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    Diskeeper (and probably the MS Defrag, as it's licensed from Diskeeper) doesn't bother defragging very large files beyond the point where the extra time it would take exceeds the benefit of a single contiguous block. With movie and music files there's no performance hit having them in several bits - the system can fetch bits far faster than it can play them and can't load the whole file in one bite anyway.
     
  7. dpl2007

    dpl2007 muh

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    yer well I had a video file in 10000 fragments and there was deffinatly a performance hit! My 10k HD 3.1 MHZ quad core and 1GB gfx card could not play the file which was 40MB a second - the other files exactly the same type played smoothly - unfragmented ones. I am just more concerned at the shear fragmentation. Diskeeper also says I have 25 GB (20percent free space) and it only looks like about 5 percent of the volume map is white which also scares me! as I said before why would a video file be written in to thousands of fragments if there was loads of space left?!
     
  8. DougEdey

    DougEdey I pwn all your storage

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    Files are stored in 2k blocks on a hard drive, an 11MB file will be spread over 5632 of these blocks.
     
  9. JoeJones

    JoeJones What's a Dremel?

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    Default cluster size of Win XP would be 4K so that'd be more like 2816 blocks.
     
  10. dpl2007

    dpl2007 muh

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    well diskeeper tells me this:

    Fragments File size Most fragmented files

    1,055 11 MB \Documents and Settings\admin\
    Desktop\1st lot of japan\



    and heres my worst one :

    Fragments File size Most fragmented files
    26,525 1,024 MB \Documents and Settings\admin\
    Desktop\untitled\
    VTS_01_4.VOB

    - part of a DVD but I put this file on when I had well over 50 GB free space so I have no idea why its so fragged...what can cause this - its almost like the files are being spread out instantly. But I cant tell how this is happening...
     
  11. mm vr

    mm vr The cheesecake is a lie

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    Windows Explorer somehow tries to make thumbnails of videos so some people have trouble deleting videos from Explorer. Check that all Explorer windows are closed during the defrag.
     
  12. DougEdey

    DougEdey I pwn all your storage

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    SOrry, got mixed up with optical discs.
     
  13. dpl2007

    dpl2007 muh

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    moooreee....

    ok here is what I am talking about :

    after about 8 defrags: http://www.flickr.com/photos/domgoneflickr/2291661780/in/set-72157603985717921/
    after I make some large files: http://www.flickr.com/photos/domgoneflickr/2291661970/in/set-72157603985717921/ <<<----- the red bits have eaten into the blue areas!?! wtf!
    after deleting them and doing some surfing n small stuff: http://www.flickr.com/photos/domgoneflickr/2290871649/in/set-72157603985717921/

    is this normal or do I have some weird **** going on? thanks in advance!:wallbash:

    oh yer if you dont know diskeeper the red bits are low perfoming files and folders the blue bits are high perfroming... and the pink bits which you prob cant see are low performing system files - they seem to be all over the place...
     
  14. DougEdey

    DougEdey I pwn all your storage

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    A hard drive using a microsoft based file system usually fragments easily, because when files are stored on the drive they are placed sequentially so over time there isn't enough space to fit the files in one continuous sequence of blocks, so a file becomes fragmented.

    How much free space do you have on your drive compared to the overall size?
     
  15. dpl2007

    dpl2007 muh

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    Yer true I was thinking of my scsi mac in the back of my head - it lines everything up so there is no gaps from the start. I have 31 percent free - I think its not fully defragging due to system files being scattered around the drive - still concerned that its so quickly goes to red fragmented files :S...tryed a defrag in safe mode and it still cannot defrag the system files...
     
  16. dpl2007

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    just relised I didnt have support for drives over 137 enabled - a Wester Digital prog just turned it on and the 150GB drive was showing its self as only 127 - hmmm...
     
  17. dpl2007

    dpl2007 muh

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    Ok update: So basically I just made a new video file from after effects and its in about 1500 pieces. All the pieces are embedded in the gaps as near to the top left as they can as far as I can see but they are really spaced out - I made another video file after and its also the same but almost in the same place is this normal! I mean this is slowing the play back of the files for god sake! After defragging it it plays ok...
     

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