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News Microsoft Sued for Anti-Piracy Tool

Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by Tim S, 30 Jun 2006.

  1. TheColdLord

    TheColdLord What's a Dremel?

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    A little off topic...You guys probably heard of Paladium, a new tech implemented in the F revision, along with AM2 that lets you instal only licensed software on your pc...isn't that enough(looking at the future?)?
     
  2. eddtox

    eddtox Homo Interneticus

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    I think this is rediculous and I'm surprised they have gotten away with it so far. Sure, they have a right to protect their investment - just like we have a right to protect our privacy. These rights shouldn't be mutually exclusive, otherwise we could find ourselves in a position where everybody is tagged (like prisoners on bail) because they *could* do something wrong. Whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? I don't have to prove that my windows is legitimate if they can't prove that it isn't. As for people saying that it doesn't link to you, it does. Firstly, if you register windows they can link the details they get from your computer with your name etc. Secondly,(AFAIK) every piece of hardware has its own unique identifier code, so two machines with the exact same hardware configuration will have different codes. This can, at least in theory, allow them to find out even more info such as when and where you got your hardware, and for how much. Another question is what happens if you change your hardware, or even your whole computer. I know that it is illegal to use an OEM copy on a different machine, but if you buy windows retail then you shouldn't have to buy another copy if you change your PC. However, as has been pointed out before, the biggest problem of all is the fact that the WGA is effectively spyware: it was installed without explicit consent from the user and it sends information to the parent company without the user's consent. However, the sad thing is that MS will probably walk away from this without any unscathed simply for financial reasons.

    -ed out
     
  3. wafflesomd

    wafflesomd What's a Dremel?

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    Does anyone else here want to see this go through, just to watch MS lose?
     
  4. MrBurritoMan

    MrBurritoMan What's a Dremel?

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    [My2Cents]
    honestly this goes with many other "invasion of privacy" lawsuits that have come about in the recent months and honestly i am not impressed with the arguments that have been presented in most of them. i find this one in particular most fascinating because i don't have anything to hide. i personally don't give a crap about my hardware algorithm and what they are gathering from my computer to protect themselves. if i was in their shoes i would probably employ something similar to protect my business. they loose millions because pirates go to such extremes to pirate their software and i think that they are justified in doing something about it.

    the only thing i would have a problem with is if they were fishing on my computer for personal information and using that for marketing or selling it to other companies. that would tick me off and justify this whole law suit thing in my mind but since that isn't the case i think that the plaintiffs in this thing should use their legal fees and actually buy their own copies of windows instead of harassing Microsoft about it.
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  5. eddtox

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    @MrBurritoMan: The thing is, they could be doing that. They haven't said what it is that they are collecting, how they plan to use it, and how long they will keep it. As for having nothing to hide, it's irrelevant - would you be happy if someone were to place microphones around your house? Don't think so. Also, as has been stated before, most of microsoft's profit comes from corporate clients. In fact, one might even go as far as to say that they could make vista basic free (which they pretty much have done) and still wouldn't have to worry about not making a large enough profit.

    -ed out
     
  6. apoogod

    apoogod trix arent just for kids

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    cpemma Ecky thump

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    The purpose of the exercise is to get the proof to show either way. If you were a landlord renting a flat, you'd expect to be able to check the tenants were sticking to the agreement? Have you no right to use a CCTV camera to see who's knocking on your door, it could be somebody innocent?

    You've bought the right to use Windows as outlined in the EULA, not the right to do what you like with it.
    False, in that (a) registration is not compulsory and even if you register you don't have to give any true personal information, you can lie; at best they've got your IP number at the time; and (b) the hash code has only a modest number of possibilities. It's only 50 digits long, and 25 of those are your product key. If two codes are different, they're definitely from different machines. If they're the same, they could still be different machines but MS accept they're the same.
     
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  8. ralph.pickering

    ralph.pickering What's a Dremel?

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    Well, I've had WGA tell me that a legitimate copy of Windows XP (installed as part of their Gold Partner program no less) was fake. Since then I've un-checked the Genuine Advantage tool when asked and checked the box that says "Don't remind me about this update in future" on every machine I've run updates on. So far it hasn't risen up to bite me in the a$$.
     
  9. yahooadam

    yahooadam <span style="color:#f00;font-weight:bold">Ultra cs

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    firstly, you say nothing about legality, again i will quote "There still is no way to update Windows XP, however, without it." which says there is now way you can patch XP without WGA - which you have even just said is not true

    Second, you dont even need any external app's, i wont say any more as i would allready say probably on the teetering edge of legality anyway ....

    i have to agree not know what is going on my PC bugs me, ive never used Automatic Updates ..
     
  10. hitman012

    hitman012 Minimodder

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    Most people seem to recognise that the article is referring to legal means of obtaining updates. I didn't see you telling us that the news on Vista's price plan was incorrect by pointing out that you'll be able to download it illegally for free. If you're going to descend from highlighting something to being plain pedantic, then just don't bother posting :rolleyes:

    Let's try and keep it on topic this time...
     
  11. jjsyht

    jjsyht Hello, my name is yuri

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    Hands up if you...
    - NEED to fix a security risk on your system
    - NEED to fix a critical thing(whatever) on your system
    - NEED to know if you have a legit os installed.

    find the different one...

    Tip: the answer shouldn't be part of 'automatic updates'

    By not fixing/patching/etc non-legit OS, M$ opens the door for hackers to (for eg) take control of a non-legit pc and cause harm to other pcs (legit or not).
    So never ever say M$ is doing a favour to by providing support to non-legit OS... they HAVE to. If they don't, sooner or later there'll be a lawsuit against M$ for 'Deliberatly not preventing an attack'.
     
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  12. jjsyht

    jjsyht Hello, my name is yuri

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    btw, to whoever said the whatever cant be retraced to you:
    All data collected - and i mean ALL - can in one way or another be retraced to the owner.
    I'm not speaking from the point of view of paranoids (the ones that doesn't want to use reward cards, oyster card, etc.... BS!!!!), but from a computer scientist specialised in data mining.

    So the point is, I and only I(ME, not you or M$) decides what information to give, if any. And just like spyware firms are being fined £££ and $$$ for not implicitly notifying the user about whatever crap he about to do, same should be done to M$.

    So the lawsuit guy has a point... and i think he'll win. I just hope that if there are any financial settlement, M$ doesnt pass it to its legit customers.
     
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  13. draxar

    draxar What's a Dremel?

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    I've had the automatic updates thing set to "Tell me about the updates, let me choose, then tell me you've downloaded them, let me choose" since I got my computer, and this just showed up in that, and got unclicked.

    I'm still a bit annoyed at my copy of Microsoft office stopping working cause of sticking some RAM and a new graphics card in, but given that the government paid for it and not me, and OpenOffice is easy to get, I'm not all that bothered.
     
  14. Nikumba

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    To be honest unless you have registered your copy of XP all MS is going to get is your lic key for XP, what software you might have and maybe sys specs.

    Nothing of real personal information. And even if you do not download the WGA tool, i have not, i still recive auto updates with out an issue.

    Kimbie
     
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    All these lawsuits are a bunch of bull. And are issued by scumbags out to make a quick buck. Look people…. If you don’t like that Microsoft is attempting to stop piracy, use another os… just stop telling Microsoft how to run their own company…
     
  17. Nezuji

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    So many of the misconceptions in this thread would be resolved if some people would just take the time to read up a little on a subject before opening their mouths (or reaching for their keyboards, as it were).

    ** ATTENTION! You are NOT Wil Smith and your life is NOT "Enemy of the State"! **

    IMHO this looks like the Sony Rootkit debacle only in technical legal terms, and this lawsuit is a load of crap.

    Nezuji :)
     
  18. Tim S

    Tim S OG

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    Oh shut up and stop being such a pedant. I'm reaching the end of my tether. :grr:
     
  19. eddtox

    eddtox Homo Interneticus

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    It really bugs me when people say "just get another OS!" Whether you like it or not ther is no viable alternative for windows if you are a gamer. MS has a monopoly, it knows it, and it is using it to screw us all! So stop running your mouth with a load of "BULL".

    -ed out
     
  20. TheoGeo

    TheoGeo What are these goddamn animals?!

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    I think the whole idea of them collecting information without my knowledge is unnerving. I've got a perfectly legit copy of XP and never knew this existed.

    I dont want to see another person saying anything along the lines of "If you've got nothing to hide", i still want my privacy, i know i have my spec in my sig, i know i publish info about myself on the internet, but i have control over that information, if i dont want it out there then i can delete it. What i dont want is people collecting information about me without my knowledge or what i consider personal information about me being collected and there being nothing i can do about it. There is a big difference between providing voluntarily and information being taken from you.

    Does anyone know exactly which hardware the code is calculated from? What can i upgrade in my system before i get flagged as having an illegal copy?
     
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