(CNN) -- The electronics and entertainment industries are shaping up for the biggest format battle since the "video wars" between VHS and Betamax to decide the future of DVD. Two rival "next generation" DVD formats look set to be launched onto the marketplace next year. Both are backed by powerful and well-known Japanese manufacturers, with each staking their claim to an industry worth billions of dollars. Link- http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/11/11/spark.dvd/index.html
And thats already before the battle has started/ or HD DVD released TBH Blu-ray , sounds cooler (yes that actually matters in buisness), and has been out for a bit so has had more time to get the market, and also improved on its previous models etc so I can't see it loosing... - M@ While a duel layer HD DVD can hold 30GB, a duel layer Blu-ray disc already has a 50GB capacity, and Sony claim the format could eventually hold as much as 200GB on an eight-layered disc. - And the small point of that also..
It seems like the only thing HD-DVD has to offer is that it burns on to existing DVDs but with a smaller wavelength laser - so it would be (a little bit) cheaper to implement. BLU-RAY wins everything else.
imo technology's going stupidly fast at the moment. FFS, let us all stick with one format, instead of bringing out this blue ray stuff now!!! It's like SATA2 when we've not all got used to SATA, SLI when PCI-E is rare enough...ugh...I could go on... <A88>
tbh, I haven't read the article, but I'm willing to bet they're going to be fifteen bloody centimeter discs again aren't they? For the love of god can't you people shrink those things? Who is it that's so bent on 15CM? They suck! Give me an 8cm (GC size) disc any day. Things should be getting smaller. CDs just piss me off. Feel like I'm throwing a bloody frisbee at my stereo every time I have to use on of the wretched things (which is quite often. ). Ok, go with blu-ray, yay, but shrink the disc! Even if you can then only fit on it the same amount as what we get on a current DVD - brilliant! Existing quality movies on teenie discs. We have a winner! /grumble grumble, bah humbug
you can buy and burn 8cm discs, i use them when im burning just a few mp3's, or one or two files too big for my PIN drive. i honestly think no one would take, even though they technically work in any machine with the inset for them (so you dont offset them and fubar your CD-ROM drive). but, i dont think the idea would take. i like the size of a regular (15cm) disc. they still fit in my hand (though i have large hands..) they're easy to handle and use, so i say oh well. its easier to stick to 15cm than to try to mass convert everyone to 8cm (ex: converting the US to the metric system..which i'm all for) or PCI-E. i think they've had an extreme success with PCI-E, which i think is largely due to the cooperation of mobo and gfx card manufacturers, although i have yet to see a PCI-E device other than a gfx card, though i expect they'll come (probly first in extreme quality sound cards, as i figure they would need the next fastest transfer rate). but, i say Blu-Ray, because ive heard all good things about it, and it looks promising. though i havent used it
Well SATA and SATA-II are identical for the most part.... basically like going from ATA/100 to ATA/133. Just a maximum speed increase (not that we need it), and NCQ automatically enables itself. So... yeah... just faster. And PCIE isn't rare except in the really high end cards, and SLI is just linking two together. Hardest part is finding a motherboard to support it, and maybe the two cards if you're going 6800gt/ultras. Point being is the new things are here and here to stay, and except for the possible need of an "F6 driver" during XP setup the only difference is (potential) perfomance. The cards still only fit in one direction Yeah, how did we get started on this 1/16, 3, 12, 1760, 5280 and whatnot anyways. 10, 100, 1000, 1, .1, .01.... oh the ease of thinking. More on the subject... I think bluray sounds better than HD-DVD (and doesn't require the use of my shift key) so it'll stick. Like VHS is shorter than betamax so it's easier so it was adopted by the lazies like myself. And I'm only talking about the names. I don't know enough about the new stuff to make any guesses, other than there will be a mass revolt or wave of piracy if they're not backwards compatible (at least in reading) with DVDs.
Complaining about CD size? ... guess you never had to mess with 8-track or LP's. Forget the cd. Let's just use notebook sized harddrives in a hotswap front load tray. No format battle over that. And the storage size can to customized. Solution found!
SATA-II has some notable differences. The first of which will be the implementation of the ATAPI protocol, which will allow cd and dvd drives to be hooked to SATA ports. Second, they nearly DOUBLE the speed, and considering that a pair of 72 gb raptors can near the SATA celing, this is a welcome adition.
All I was trying to dispute is that technology has surged at an incredible pace recently compared to the past 4 years. I'm not saying it's bad by any means, but maybe we aren't being given a chance to catch up? VCR's only just dying out and we've got Blue Ray, and I don't know anyone with PCI-E or any of the uber-new stuff. I know it's a little like a revolution for the PC atm (PCI-E, BTX, SATA, 64-bit), so maybe companies should be letting these technologies become common-place before considering new ones. <A88>
yes and no. This is essnentially just like the rush of the early nineties/late eighties, as the 32 bit processor came kicking, screaming and overheating into this world. Technology changed fast and new slots came out the wazoo along with form factors. Hold on tight kids and atch your step, this ride will be nice and stable soon for another few years - that is, until PCI Express is just like PCI.... frigging slow.
Beta and VHS were physicly different. But: Why can't a DVD player play both if the laser and read/write-head are the same? Heck I just bought a DVD burner that supports more formats then anyone ever needs.
I think you just answered your own question... beta stayed beta because Sony didn't want to share the technology. VHS was created as an alternative and the standard was licensed out so others could follow suit. Sony hasn't learned their lesson from what I've heard about some of their minidisc products either so I wouldn't count on anything Sony develops. They should take a page out of Philips book and innovate and impliment the technology into your own products but also license out the technology to other companies at a rate they can compete, it's a win/win. If you make it impossible for your competitors to utilize the technology, you don't get enough adoptors in the marketplace and eventually, you greed yourself out of a lot of money and people go without no matter how innovative it is.
I only meant when it comes to setting up a system. Some SATA I chipsets support ATAPI anyways. I think when you have a RAID0 setup on SATA-I you have 300MB/s bandwidth since it's over two independant 150MB/s ports, so in actuality you're not coming near the cap. In any case, sustained transfers are nowhere near that unless you go towards a 4-drive RAID0 raptor setup, which is just dumb. And PCIE will last at least 10 years I'm guessing... you just add more lanes on. We'll just have chipsets supporting 200+ lanes and an x16 slot will be the standard addin card with a x64 or something for graphics. Only potential problem being physically running out of motherboard.
