Basically, I was just trying to cost justify that extra $100 that the guy was making into $1000. You can use non-MS HDD's on 360, but it's not supported and you are taking a risk that the HDD will crap out on you and all of your downloads/game saves/music/movies/photos/etc. are all are gone, and how much of that you can get back you will have to find out the hard way. There is an advantage to being able to buy charge kits: they are independent of the controller you buy, meaning if you only have one controller and you forget to charge it the night before, if you have another charge kit sitting in the charger you can just pop it in the pop the dead one in the charger, but again how often are you really going to need that (I always plug my controller(s) back in when I'm finished)? What's funny is most Arcade owners (the ones trying to spend the least amount of money) who have to have Live and renew it automatically (for $50/yr) via credit card will spend the same amount of money overall than an 80GB PS3 owner in 4 years time. Of course, you can purchase a Live card yourself on newegg for ~$40, but still. I will throw this out there though (and to be fair I will use retail pricing), to truly get the most out of the PS3, average consumers must purchase a HDMI cable ($30 Dynex brand at BestBuy) as well. Either way, I hope I made my point.