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Build Advice My first build in ten years... (SFF / Ryzen)

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by earlydoors, 10 May 2020.

  1. Goatee

    Goatee Well-Known Member

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    It’s a bit of a misconception that you can’t fit reasonable hardware in a sff case. I had a 2070 and i5-9600k in a S4M (5 litres) for a while which while not super high end was pretty much a perfect non-4K gaming travel set-up.

    You are right about being able to travel with a tower, however, you may struggle to get it in carry-on when flying though.
     
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  2. Arboreal

    Arboreal Keeper of the Electric Currants

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    Colour me a 'huge' SFF Pervert :p
     
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  3. Vault-Tec

    Vault-Tec Green Plastic Watering Can

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    In a case you can only get in the USA for $220.
     
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    Bloody_Pete Technophile

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    I just do it, live and let live! If people don't like it then they're allowed to have that, but lots of others do!
     
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  5. earlydoors

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    Thanks all for your continued comments on this thread, I'm definitely learning more. I do want to go in a different direction for the case and rather have something that I'd like to hang onto for a while. My reason for getting something small is that I don't have too much space (footprint) to work with, so the smaller the footprint, the better for me. The system won't be moved and will just sit on a desk.

    With that in mind, I've been looking at the NZXT H1 (pricey but looks good and comes with CPU and AIO cooler...but unavailable until July) or the Fractal Design Define Nano S - to name a couple. I much prefer cleaner / simpler looking cases - so any other recommendations are welcome!
     
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    Vault-Tec Green Plastic Watering Can

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    The ones with HDMI on AMD will only work with an APU. Or rather, a CPU with a GPU on it. So make sure that the APU name ends with "G". All of AMD's other CPUs do not have anything on them, and the boards only have it for the APUs. Also, make sure you look up the CPU/APU support as some boards do not support Bristol Ridge apparently.

    Basically as with anything else now you need to do your homework. I would look up CPU support on the board you have in mind, then download and read the manual to get the juicy stuff.
     
  7. Goatee

    Goatee Well-Known Member

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    If you budget is a bit more than the £50-60 range, then the boutique world of SFF cases is now your oyster. Current trends are for SFF cases tend to be sandwich style, traditional or console. Special shout out to (https://www.lazer3d.com/product/lz7-overview/) as a UK company who do some nice cases too.

    Sandwich style examples (motherboard one side of the case, GPU sitting behind motherboard with a spine sandwiching the two):
    • Dan case A4
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    • Loque GHOST S1
    [​IMG]


    Traditional examples: (GPU plugged into PCIE socket)

    • N case M1
    [​IMG]
    • Cougar QBX
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    Console style: GPU sitting in same plane as motherboard.
    • NFC Skyreach 4 MINI
    [​IMG]

    • dr.zaber Sentry
    [​IMG]
     
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  8. Pie_uk

    Pie_uk British beef, in Britain

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    Ah ok, thats great. So the motherboard and cpu could do this! great. Just need some help finding a low TDP processor that can do that.

    as to why do I not just use the laptop, well i wanted a bigger screen. Problem is, when you use the macbook pro with an external screen it jumps over to use its discrete graphics card and all the fans spin up and make a loud noise. So i wanted to build a SFF instead.

    early doors, great case choice, go for the h1!
     
  9. sandys

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    On the AMD side the 3400G would sort you out in a decent board that supports HDMI 2.0 if you don't want GPU power, maybe even a 3200g with less cores if you don't need grunt, alternatively you pick something like a 31/3300x + passive GPU.

    Not sure about Intel side but its integrated graphics is likely to do it also.
     
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  10. thewelshbrummie

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    Good looking build with no compatibility issues - would say that £140 for a 600W SFX PSU seems expensive, even for a good quality one. I've run you're build through Seasonic's power supply calculator, swapping in the 5700 since they don't have the 5500XT yet and it uses more power. Your build comes in at a recommendation of 384W or more assuming the 5700, so that would be more than the maximum you would have if you go with the 5500XT. You could stick with SFX and go for a 500W PSU - how about the Silverstone SFX-L 500W for £80?

    Cut the pictures out of the quote. All of those are way over budget by £100 or more (350% overbudget), or out of production (in part I assume due to being crowdfunded which usually means limited production runs).

    Case wise I've always thought that's personal preference. Personally speaking I'm looking at the Silverstone Milo ML08 and the above PSU as a starting point to replace my HTPC (which would be sandwich style) since it's fairly business like and cheap at £65-70 (and only 175% over your budget), for the non-handle version. They also make the RVZ02 case which has the same internal layout but has a different look, for the same price.

    The only thing to keep in mind is that Ryzen 4000 CPUs will be off-limits on that motherboard, limiting your upgrade options to 3000 series only. And if you were to go with a B550 motherboard instead, then your chosen Ryzen 2600 won't work, but it is difficult to justify the extra £40+ for the 3600 when it's no more than 10% better off in benchmarks.

    EDIT: Just seen the 1080p/60fps in the OP. For that I don't think relying on the iGPU is a good idea regardless of AMD or Intel. Intel iGPUs are good for 4K video playback and not much else. AMDs APUs (CPU with iGPU) aren't bad but they don't have anything currently available with 6 cores. I think the 5500XT you've originally suggested is the best option for you.
     
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  11. Fingers66

    Fingers66 Kiwi in London

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    I have a Fractal Define Nano S, I got it for £28 new open box on the bay of evil, houses an H370 Strix m/b & i7-8700, using the iGPU. Whilst I am not pushing it thermally, it is perfect for my needs. Unobtrusive, VERY quiet (with Noctua fans), covered for dust filtering, takes ATX PSU's and full size GPU's (if I ever need it), sits on the corner of the desk and just does its job. I could throw the 1070 from my gaming rig in it right now and it would be awesome.

    I run it with a couple of BeQuiet SilentWings intakes and a couple of Noctua push/pull on an H55 exhausting out the back with the solid top cover in place, VERY quiet. I have owned a few Fractal cases of varying models & sizes and I am completely sold on the quality and on how long they last.

    Whilst it isn't as small as some of the (cough) hugely expensive options presented here previously, it is still way smaller than the Evolve ITX. Much better value in my opinion.

    Here is what I would get if buying new right now (and listening to your needs):

    Ryzen 3600 - £152
    Gigabyte B450 I Aorus Pro AC WiFi - £123.59 (pre-order but with Scan so worth a punt at that price) (edited to correct my mistake)
    Fractal Design Define Nano S ITX Case Black - £59.99
    Corsair Vengeance LPX Black 16GB (2x8GB) 3600MHz Ryzen Tuned DDR4 - £94.99 (I'm sure there is cheaper quality 3600MHz RAM)
    Crucial P1 500GB M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD - £68.99
    Seasonic Focus GX550W 80+ Gold Modular PSU - £79.99 (£10 extra for the 650W if you'd like, depending on your GPU choice)
    Windows 10 Pro - £5-£10 on ebay

    That is £568 £590 and leaves you enough headroom to add a good CPU cooler & case fans (for temperature and silence) and a much better GPU. It'll last you many years.

    However like others have said, if you are not desperate for a new rig, I would wait for the price drops (hopefully) driven by the new Intel and AMD hardware soon to land.
     
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  12. Goatee

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    Totally, I had a the RZ02 At one point (that and the milo are gateway drugs into the console styles) but the OP did say he fancied a £350 case, so I took that as a excuse to get my SFF fetish out in public again.

    Your hardware options look great and I totally agree in terms of value, but a good case can last multiple builds, same as a PSU, so why not get something you really like. Unlike a PSU you might actually be looking at a case a lot too (especially if like the op it’s going on a desk).

    In terms of tiny packages, however, if the western petite market is too pricey, I can get into the Asian or Eastern European options, if that’s your thing.....
     
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    Thats what hacksaws are for :p
     
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    Funny you should say that I am contemplating that very thing to fit a 1080Ti I have lying around in my daughters Sharkoon CA-M case, give it a nice power bulge as the case is 2cm too short :D I should just buy a more appropriate case.
     
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    Thats more of an angle grinder job though :p
     
  17. sandys

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    Multi tool can do all :D
     
  18. Fingers66

    Fingers66 Kiwi in London

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    Apologies for my obvious mistake (at stupid o'clock), fixed now so someone doesn't buy the wrong thing. :duh:
     
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    it’s a good combo, I used the ML08 and SX500-LG for my last build, I’ve still got them sitting around as they’d make a great base for a machine. I was tempted to use them again this time, but I’m also really happy to finally be using my M1. So they’ll probably stay here gathering dust until I finally get around to selling them on
     
  20. Pie_uk

    Pie_uk British beef, in Britain

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    Thanks Sandys! the AMD looks great, the 3200G is only 65W TDP too which is good, the lower the better! no grunt needed, just to run google chrome and stadia lol!

    So, would this 3200g support a display port 1.4 out on a motherboard? Most gaming monitors rely on display port as opposed to HDMI
     

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