Federal prosecutors are reviewing whether to pursue charges against an Arvada woman who refused to show identification to federal police while riding an RTD bus through the Federal Center in Lakewood. Deborah Davis, 50, was ticketed for two petty offenses Sept. 26 by officers who commonly board the RTD bus as it passes through the Federal Center and ask passengers for identification. During the Thanksgiving weekend, an activist who has helped publicize other challenges to government ID requirements posted a Web site about the case, which he said had logged more than 1.5 million visitors by lunchtime Monday. "The petty offense ticket was issued by police on the scene," Colorado U.S. attorney's spokesman Jeff Dorschner said Monday. "The status of the matter is now under review." I absolutely have to agree with what Davis said "It's wrong," she said. "It's not even security. It's just a lesson in compliance - the big guys pushing the little guys around." There is such a thing as over security I think. Please present your bit-ID tags to see more...
And this is the sort of thing that just highlights why we shouldn't have this bloodey id card scheme that the gov is touting in the UK.
Im sorry, but what the **** does that prove? Do bombers have ID's saying that they are likely to bomb something?? If they arent crossreferencing it to any lists or whatever, what the hells the point. That's the point. It's not the law to carry ID, so why was she REQUIRED to provide some? If she didnt carry ID would she still have been locked up? What possible use does handcuffing her and escorting her off the bus do? apart from wasting police time? A bus is now a federal facility? Admittidly she shouldnt have argued with a cop but then again she could have lied and said no she didnt have ID.
You shouldn't lie. Tell the cops to #### off if they have no reason to search you. Cops are civilians, too. It's feel good crap and it's going to get people killed. We need real security. We know who is the most likely threat and it ain't 80 year old women in wheelchairs.
No. The bus is a city bus that passes through the Federal Center in Denver. It's different than the city buses that enter the military bases in Colorado Springs. Here they drop off non-military passengers before the bus enters the base and pick them up when it leaves (or they did a few years ago - I haven't taken a bus for a while). I do think it's stupid to expect all bus passengers to carry ID if they're just passing through the Federal Center.
I'm a Department of the Interior contractor, and I've worked at the Federal Center in Denver. When we enter the center, we have to be escorted by a federal government employee in addition to showing our government-issued DOI badges. The guards are armed. The place is owned and operated by the Feds. The information kept there is classified. It looks like a military base. What genius scheduled a bus route through there?
Denver RTD apparently. There are many Federal employees that take the bus rather than deal with Denver's messed up street grid.
Update! Deborah Davis said Wednesday she has been overwhelmed by the support she has received via the Internet and telephone for her stance against having to show her identification while riding on an RTD bus that crosses the Federal Center in Lakewood. But she's trying to keep up with her daily routine, doing her laundry and, on Tuesday, cleaning the gutters on her home. "It keeps me normal," she said. Bill Scannell, who has publicized other challenges to government ID requirements, said the Web site he created for the Davis case, www.papersplease.org/davis,had received visits from 2.4 million individuals by about 2 p.m. Wednesday. Scannell said the Web site also has received more than 1,800 e-mails about Davis' case, and that all but about 20 have been supportive. "There's become so many I can't even read them all," Davis said. "I never thought this would happen," she said. "I was just trying not to show my ID because I don't have to. That's all." Heh, now her identity is all over the place. Though it seems she's not alone in her quest for basic human rights. Good stuff this.
