TVs Need help with buying a good gaming TV with low input lag !

Finally....after months of saving im coming to a point where I have enough to finally afford a good gaming TV for my room!

Thing is i really need help choosing because I know allot of TVs suffer from input lag which makes them useless for gaming....im hoping thats where you guys come in with experience and knowledge to guide me!

I really want to hook my xbox 360 up to it so gaming is the most important thing about it followed by watching TV and movies.

Therefore it needs to handle gaming really well and not suffer from this dreaded input lag.

My budget is £800ish at most. I have £265 in capital bond vouchers which I would like to put towards it so a retailer like comet etc or one that accepts them would be preffered since they can lower the cost for me!
Requirements are:

* atleast be 40inch but 42 is fine too.
*1080p - highest resolution
*A good reliable brand, im leaning towards samsung since they make good LCD's
*Good connectivity, atleast 3 hdmi ports (pref 4) and able to be connected to a PC for monitor use as it will become my monitor too

Im leaning towards this one: SAMSUNG LE40A686M1FXXU

as spec wise its really good, i can use the capital bond vouchers to bring it down to £615! but i dont know much about how well it does for gaming? I wonder if anyone could maybe comment on this if they have one or very similar model?


what you guys think?
Sorry for asking so much, its a big decision and one i cannot to afford to take lightly without help. I am researching too but Bit-tech usually offer good opinions, feedback and advice!

Thanks guys!

 

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/151792

good make, know sombody who ownes one from that range, works well for him and he plays tonnes of games, blu ray films, and x box 360

 

ah yes I know of that one but apparently its meant to suffer from mild input lag?:

See here: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/Samsung-LE40A656/Conclusion.htm

I would have jumped at that one otherwise but being a Gears of war 2 gamer, half a seconds will destroy me

Thanks for the help though....anyone else able to add to this? no Tv knowledged people here?

 

30ms is less then your eyes will even notice... They 'work' at 40ms (aka 25fps), and your reflexes are even slower (by a lot)

 

indeed but 60ms + reflex time is something that can be noticed I think! I would prefer one with input lag thats as low as possible.

You have a point however but i think they mentioned it in the review perhaps because it is noticable.

 

With your reflexes going as slow as 500-1000ms, I wouldn't really bother about 60... By the time you can push a button or move a mouse, you already missed out on 15 images...

But that's just me, I don't need a jetplane in my PC either, or 6001 GPU's in super-hyper-mega-hybrid-SLI/Xfire. Image quality > speed, I'd rather not have bleeding eyes, than epilepsy inducing speed...

 

Even in a fast-paced first-person shooter, I don't think input lag will be noticeable. As has been mentioned, human reflexes are an order of magnitude slower still. 50 ms lag is only 1/20th of a second, not the half-second you mentioned in an earlier post.

Input lag is sometimes an issue, but typically only in games like Guitar Hero, where you're planning each move well in advance and following a rhythm, because human reaction time isn't an issue in that situation. Conveniently, those games have a built-in calibration system.

 

and if all else fails: anticipation
if you know the thing is slightly off and you really have inhuman reflexes, you should be able to anticipate when you should shoot (much like gambling on where a bullet will come with gravity and wind)

 

Glider, Crazy Bob, you were both wrong. The tv has sufficient input lag to notice and apparently its 30-60ms worth.

Its a brand new Samsung LE40A686 and it looks great on HDMI but the lag in Gears, even though its slight, is enough to get you killed constantly without standing a chance...and it is noticible.

...thanks anyways...

 

You must be a robot then, and see constant flickering when watching TV, because that is only 25 FPS, so a frame every 40 ms... Guess you are one of the few that notice a big difference between 100fps and 200fps in a game.

 

MS = Milliseconds mate. 30-60ms is 0.03-0.06 of a second.

Seriously. Look at it sensibly. Do you think ur reactions are that good? If so, RUN JOHN CONNOR.....RUUUUUUNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Coming from an online clan gaming background, I constantly heard people talk about their FPS. Bearing in mind that we played Spearhead, I was quite happy with my 70-90fps, whist all around cried when their fps dropped below 700fps.

As has been said before by other members, the human eye can only compute around 30fps.

In all life's decisions and purchases, there must come a point when common sense guides your choice. It's time to let a little common sense in m8.

U may think ur the ultimate gaming rambo, but even I wasn't constantly killed with 600fps less than the opposition.... or perhaps it's ur excuse for getting pwnd.

 

I'm afraid I agree with the two ahead of me. Something very significant has changed in your setup, so I'm not at all surprised you're not accustomed to it and aren't playing at your full capacity. However, I also think you're looking for a scapegoat and finding it convenient to blame input lag as well as those people who told you not to worry about input lag.

Once again, very good human reaction time is roughly 0.18 second. 60ms input lag is only 0.06 second - three times faster. It's definitely enough, as I mentioned in my earlier post, to throw off rhythm-based games, because there's no reaction time involved in these; that's why Guitar Hero includes an HDTV calibration. Games like Gears of War, though, depend on reaction time. Yes, you can plan your moves ahead of time, but you're ultimately still at the mercy of your reflexes.

What kind of TV were you using before you bought this one? I would actually be surprised if you could sit down at a brand new TV with a much larger image and much better resolution, and instantly begin playing at the skill level you were accustomed to. The extra detail probably helps, but suddenly you have to move your eyes and head much further to cover the same distance. It'll take you a few days to get used to it.

 

Guys,

Firstly I am finding no scapegoat in anything - The Tv itself is amazing and im very happy with it - Lets make that clear firstly.

What I asked was for anyones knowledged opinion regarding input lag and I was informed by your goodselves that its negligible and you wont notice it.

Now im not some super rambo killing machine and I dont have a trained eye but 0.5 second lag is noticeable in any game, im tempted to say it was up to 0.5 - 1 second lag at one point.

Regardless I have adjusted my TV's settings and turned off some processing it did in the background and it seems like its disappeared....or I cant notice it anymore.

But it seems in its natural settings there is lag that will be noticed by anyone and its not just the trained eye or an experience gamer.
As for FPS, I use to play wow happily at 25-30 fps but thats not the issue, its processing lag from the console to the TV.


In answer to your question crazybob, I was using a LCD Pc monitor before this, NEC 20inch monitor.

Regardless, tinkering with the settings has made things bearable now...it seems anyways.

But my point is refresh time + coupled with your reaction and the console processing it across...there is a noticble difference but thats if you have all the bells and whistles as mentioned.

Regardless, as I said, thank you guys for your help as it did prove useful - I bought the TV and with tinkering it seems fine and I am not blaming anyone.

 

Glad to hear it's working out for you, then. I hadn't even considered image processing in the TV when we were talking about input lag; that opens up a whole new set of problems, and I'm glad you were able to turn those features off.

 

Glad to hear you got a workable solution Solidus. Apologies if my reply seemed a lil rough. I just couldn't see how you could be complaining about a fraction of a second delay.

Perhaps if you have a spare moment, you could post up the settings that you changed so that anyone else with the same problem can find your solution.

Every day is a school day.

 

I basically turned any sort of image processing and 100mhz mode off and put enhancement features off too. Dont use any sort of entertainment mode or anything, just put it into custom mode and that allows you to turn off features - and basically turn everything off.

Thats basically it.

 

Best Gaming LCD tv 40"-42"

Hi to all Can any one recommend me what's the best gaming TV - particularly for Xbox 360 (I'm assuming the console doesn't really make a difference)

I'm looking for a 40"to 42" full HD LCD - price around £800. I need one for Gaming and for quality viewing with up-to-date technology that includes direct connection to my media files on my PC to the TV.
I will be grateful for your help
Thanks

 

No plasmas?

A decent Panasonic Plasma will nuke an LCD.

 

Best Gaming LCD tv 40"-42"

I don't really mind Plasma. but the burn factor that puts me off. in long run as I have seen on others the burn stays on. Please people can someone help.. I am going to put this as a new post now.

 

image retention/burn in is a massively overhyped problem that has pretty much gone away... you're only going to get it if you have monster 8 hour gaming sessions without changing the game or turning the TV off. even still, almost always it's not permanent and fades over the course of a day or so.