Here is a Good video test . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2IF9ZPwgDM Just got a new LCD ASUS PB Series PB278Q 27" 5ms (GTG) WQHD HDMI and Video Card EVGA GTX 680 Classified Videos of LCD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsTZbfPCuTs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5iCuzYLN3w For Pic's and Video OH MY VERY SWEET. For games at times think that can see some tear so just turned on Vsink and that took care of it. Would like to try and add SLI and see if that helps but the COST to NEED value are not at same levels just YET. But for web surf at normal settings it makes things so SMALL they look GREAT but still working on just what kind of settings work best for web with fonts and % of zoom. Pic's and Video 100% Games BF3 95 to 100% Web 85 to 95% still working on what zoom and fonts to run Used to have the HP ZR30w Black 30" 7ms S-IPS and sold it the cost of the 27 to 30 inch is $475 more right now and yes that will change someday. Wish that could of had 2 EVGA GTX 680 Classifieds in SLI for that BIG HP ZR30w and just see what it could do. But the cost is just to much at this point so went with the ASUS PB278Q and ya can almost get 2 of them for the same cost and have a lot more display. Yes it was close to get the 120hz but going to wait just a few more years and then give it a try.
Yes and in part 1 of of the above video, you can see that the guy didn't knew the difference between the two. Also, this is NCIX.. it's a retail store. Just something to keep in mind. Like I said, it comes down to what you play, and what you find more important. -> If you play a lot of FPS games, like this is you main genre, and you really don't care about visuals, you just want to play for the high score under multi-player, get a high end TN panel or a 120Hz monitor, as I always said. -> If you play more RTS, RPG, Action, Adventure games, well pretty much any other genre beside FPS, and/or when you play an FPS game its just for fun, you know, for the entertainment value rather than competitiveness, and prefer colors, then a IPS panel will be amazing. Games will look better to much better (all depending on what you had before, and how high end the IPS panel you buy), and same for movies, pictures, and so on. Moreover if you do work on your computer, or watch a lot of movies and such. Again, an IPS panel is the way to go due to the wide view angles, so you can see were you want in the room, how you want on your chair and get the same amazing visuals. Of course, ideally a 120Hz IPS panel would be great. But sadly they don't exists. The TV's do tricks, it's not the real thing like the 120Hz desktop monitor you buy. I hope this helps in picking the right monitor.
Touch of advice, firstly I just want to define a "hard-hard-core" FPS gamer: someone who does stuff like turning down graphics settings in game to get higher framerates and better hit registration in order to win; etc. 1. As others have noted and from personal experience this forum doesn't include many hard-hard-core gamers who would care about the difference of 120Hz vs 60Hz in FPS games (not that they've all tried it though) so asking here will get a biased opinion, just be aware of that. Of course, if you ask the same thing on certain other forums, you will get the reversed biased opinion. 2. If you turn VSync off and your FPS fluctuates at something other than a multiple of your monitors refresh rate, you don't always get tearing. It happens in some games, not in others. I saw some posts implying the complete opposite, which frankly is not true. Like I said, you don't always get tearing. In fact in almost every game I've tried there has been no tearing (Dell U2311h at massive framerates with no VSync), it's more of an exception to see tearing. In addition, having VSync on results in some mouse lag (which a lot of people on this forum probably won't notice or really care about) which is something hard-hard-core FPS gamers simply can't live with. Conclusion, turn VSync off if you know you are a hard-hard core kinda dude and care about doing well in a competitive hard FPS game, it won't ruin your experience. 3. From experience, if you haven't experienced the visuals of an IPS monitor you won't miss it. Same thing with 120Hz. After using an IPS for months I started a new job using a TN panel 7 hours a day and didn't notice any bad colours with the TN or any problems at all. However after returning home and using my IPS panel I would see the improvement for about 10 minutes till I got used to it. Your choice whether the visuals mean as much to you. 4. Something which I have no real-life experience of but do tend to wonder about, when panning fast in games sometimes you can't see anything it all just blurs together, you sometimes need to stop and get your bearings. Perhaps 120Hz monitors will allow you to keep track of such fast panning scenes better? Basically a lot of people are making out 120Hz and stuff like that as just ways of certain gamers trying to boost their ego, this is not the case and it does make a discernible difference, so don't be fooled by such comments. And don't accept broad and basic scientific statements justifying such claims (e.g. "16ms vs 8ms how can you possibly notice the difference?" or "radio waves travel at lightspeed, so wireless mice are just as good as wired") as there is a lot more to it than that, computers aren't simple machines with clear and obvious factors regarding their performance. Proof is in the experience, not in the theorycrafting! In short, you want to have every possible advantage over others? 120Hz, a carefully chosen mouse and keyboard, expensive audiophile grade sound system, and do some research about tweaking your games to the max -> you need to be someone who turns up brightness levels to get every advantage in darker areas, and favour clear and obvious colours to pretty but obscure.
I cannot fully agree more with you. However, just to clarify something on my side. When I said that if you don't have a game running at 120Hz, and above 60Hz range you have tearing, this to be noted, as this was MY OWN personal observation. A good friend fo mine got such monitor to give it a go, and I saw it in action with several games, and with me playing and watching him playing, this is what I observed. However only a few games was tried, as my friend, and I aren't much FPS player. I love to pop in and play TF2 at times, but I am in for the fun, not competitiveness. I die a lot, but who cares. I have a good laugh and continue to play. It's all fun and games. That's the way I see things.
Speaking from experience i was sucked into the whole IPS is amazing discussion and purchased the dell u2711, however having got anoyed with the anti glare, the heat output and the fact that you need a good gpu to driven all them pixels i decided to sell it on this forum and downgrade to a TN panel. The panel i purchased was the benq XL2420T and i can fully confirm that the argument over 60hz v 120hz is the same as the ips v TN colours as i can honestly say that once i set the colours on my benq i couldnt see the difference between the dell and the benq, i did however notice the smoothness and the lack of heat output which still makes me happy. People must appreciate that the colours and viewing angles have massively improved in TN panel technology thefore the decission between ips and tn has to be down to response time or 3d etc.
Of course mate, it's understandable I am doing the same thing really, just giving info from hard experience!
If you sense the heat of the U2711, then you are way too close to it. That is also why you were seeing the glaring. If the monitor is set to a brightness bellow 20-30%, which is crazy bright, btw (comparable to ~75-100% on most monitors), it should not have been any issue, even to the touch. Also, LED back light IPS panels do exists, and like TN panels that are powered by LED, you get the same heat output for the same screen size. The color difference is noticeable between your BenQ and U2711 (unless you left the U2711 on the standard color settings and didn't set it to Adobe RGB or sRGB per-calibrated color profile). If you had them side by side, it should have been night and day. If not, then something was wrong with your computer or monitor.
What has the amount of pixels got to do anything? You are the second person to bring this up. A resolution is a resolution regardless of panel type.
I use wireless mice for all my computers and I've never experienced any kind of lag compared to wired mice. That's hardly theorycrafting.
How? The mouse comment was obviously targeted at me because I brought it up recently. You implied I was just "theorycrafting", which I proved was not the case.
If you play FPS hardcore you play with wired mouse/ keyboard and every setting on minimum except resolution and you most likely own some widescreen monitor for the extra width. Thats the competitive world of FPS for you the only game it does not apply to is CS Source where you require Sound set to maximum to here footsteps ect. Starcraft 2 is far and away the pcs biggest competitive title.
Of course the more pixels the more gpu power you need to drive them at a respectable framerate. Try running a resolution of 1280 x 720 with a weak gpu and then try driving 2560 x 1440 your frame rates will be single figures given that you are trying to drive 4 times the amount of pixels compared to 720p.
I have read your comment again and what i was trying to say is that i moved from 2560 x 1440 to 1920 x 1080 due to the gpu needed to drive the larger resolution.
Dizzy I know what you were saying but the way you worded it made it sound like IPS panels automatically have more pixels than TN panels and I thought it sounded misleading. I noticed you moved from a 27" to a 24" and your comment also made it sound as though you only changed panel type and not size and this was the reason for difference in GPU performance. A comment was made earlier about IPS panels having more pixels (not by you) and I just wanted to stop that train of thought dead there and then. The comment wasn't meant as a slight against you.
