Whether we like it or not the game more than likely will be sold largely on the merit of its graphics, just as Morrowind and Oblivion were. Whether graphics and engines should be used as selling points is another matter, but (and I don't mean to be pedantic) to say that they're not just isn't correct. Oblivion was pushed a lot on its graphics and was underwhelming once the player got past those visuals; just as you say. I've played Oblivion only recently (testing out my GTX580, as Oblivion is still one of my go-to tests for any new card). I feel my opinion on the graphics of Skyrim that we see here still stands. I didn't say it looks just like Oblivion, I said it looks like Oblivion with some very minor improvements - And to my eyes it simply does. I understand that there are technical limitations in place, imposed by the game being marketed on Xbox 360 (maybe even primarily so) - But my point is that they've done little to improve the graphics, whether they could or not, but also nothing to improve other aspects of the engine that would bring it more up to date and give them other selling points. The fact that the engine looks so similar, that the characters are still using basic skeletal animation, that the textures still look lower-res than what fanmade projects are using.. Just suggests to me that it's barely a step forward technologically. Of course none of that would matter if the actual content of the game were up to scratch, but the reason I bring it up is that what we've seen so far of Skyrim doesn't give me any hope that it IS up to scratch. On top of that, Fallout 3 suffered from many of the very same flaws that many of us so disliked about Oblivion, further suggesting that Bethesda aren't learning from their mistakes - But then they seemingly don't have to learn when people lap it up on consoles anyway and just accept what they get instead of demanding more for their money and time. As many have already said, Oblivion was good but flawed and a disimprovement from Morrowind in a lot of gameplay aspects - If that downward curve continues then Skyrim looks to be woefully underwhelming - At least Oblivion had the engine and visuals to wow us when it came out. Skyrim, to my eyes at least, doesn't. On the other hand, I agree strongly with this. I got a lot of enjoyment out of Oblivion despite its massive flaws, but it was a letdown after Morrowind and a lot of that enjoyment just wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for the Oblivion mod community. Bethesda quite smartly release their games in a flawed state and leave the improvements to unpaid amateur enthusiasts, but that might come back to bite them sometime if people get sick of fixing their games for them. Had it been standalone I would have appreciated it more (the same goes for FO3). If they can deliver something better than Oblivion in terms of gameplay then I'll probably have great fun with it - But the gameplay changes leaked so far don't inspire me with confidence in that regard because my personal taste is for complex RPGs, not streamlined RPGs - We have enough of those in the market these days. Maybe they'll pull something fantastic out of it, something to rival Morrowind - I hope they do.