There's as few of these registered, no reason to think they're News International though. whois thesunonsunday.co.uk whois.nic.uk] Domain name: thesunonsunday.co.uk Registrant: Mediaspring Registrant type: UK Individual Registrant's address: The registrant is a non-trading individual who has opted to have their address omitted from the WHOIS service. Registrar: Webfusion Ltd t/a 123-reg [Tag = 123-REG] URL: http://www.123-reg.co.uk Relevant dates: Registered on: 05-Jul-2011 Renewal date: 05-Jul-2013 Last updated: 07-Jul-2011 Registration status: Registration request being processed. Name servers: ns.123-reg.co.uk ns2.123-reg.co.uk WHOIS lookup made at 20:22:12 07-Jul-2011
Do you guys recon the bskyb deal will happen now, cant think of anyone I would like less having yet more control of our media. Made my skin crawl when it was alleged they deleted voicemail of murder victims phones
According to some pressure groups, Sun reporters were tweeting earlier today stating that they were going 7 days a week. Today's shenanigans is simply a rebranding, nothing more.
Murdoch is spontaneous and needed to make a hard-hitting statement. Regardless of how they did it, NotW gave us thousands of stories over the years of bribery, corruption, sleaze, illegalities, fraud, dodgy politicians, dodgy royals, dodgy FIFA reps, etc ... they did all that with the means at their disposal. Kind of ironic that their methods were their downfall. But, currently, who can we now turn to, to reveal these scummy people? We NEED a newspaper willing to go to great lengths to bring us the heads of the scummy people. Politicians must be breathing a sigh of relief ... Also, regarding the 'hacking' of phones - although how anyone can use the word 'hacking' when all they are doing is guessing that the password to the server is admin, or in these cases the PIN numbers 0000 or 9999 - anyway, if any of us were reporters, we'd have done the same. Wouldn't we? The chance to catch Michael Barrymore out? To catch Fergie selling visits to corrupt businessmen to see Andrew? To get a scoop by simply listening to saved answer phone messages ... of course we would. I'm guessing this is why we haven't had a barrage of journos rising up and giving statements as to why they are so disgusted ... they are probably all doing what they can to get those scoops. God knows why they they felt the need to spy on the families of soldiers. And the PI who deleted messages from Millys phone should be imprisoned for tampering with her phone. But if you knew a politician was corrupt, and you knew his answer phone messages were protected by 0000 ... you would.
I wouldn't. There are boundaries for a reason, and we have just seen why. It starts with being clever rummaging through a politician's rubbish, because you have good reason to think he is corrupt. Then, in the public interest of course, you access his voicemail. Then you get used to those tactics, and confident at using them, and you think: why not celebrities? Why not missing school girls? Why did they feel the need to go after the families of dead soldiers? Because they could. Why not anyone who is in the news? After all, every journalist is at it, and it's not hacking, not really, when you just go through someone's rubbish or happen to guess their voicemail access code... Perhaps it's also OK if you guess their email password. Or help yourself to the door key under their flowerpot. Their fault: they should learn to be more careful. You are only doing your job, giving the public what it wants... NoW may have given us thousands of stories, but they were just that: stories --mostly lies, innuendo, distortion, exaggeration, twisting and salacious speculation. There are plenty of (somewhat more) reputable newspapers which expose corruption and crime through the conventional means of good investigative journalism. We don't need NoW to be our moral compass. If we do, God help us.
Except, Leveller, you haven't done this. You haven't hacked people's phones, you haven't proven that anyone's corrupt, you... wouldn't, haven't, didn't. Why not?
Too early for riddles. Listen-in to politicians answerphone message left by Bob @ whatever tobacco lobby group saying what a great meet it was and thanks for suppporting the tobacco cause, following week the politician votes against raising the limit for smokers to 21. That info is needed in the public arena, we need to know these things. added: in the context of being a reporter, if you want a career as opposed to working at the local crap rag, you would. You wouldn't get scoops without some leads and unfortunately that means a few quid here and there for leads, and even the 'hacking' of answerphone messages. Oh and Nexxo I'm not saying it is OK, far from it. You know as well as I, that if people want to keep something a secret they will and can by all means necessary. Love it or hate it, NotW exposed things we'd never have known otherwise.
Why not emphasise it a bit more and use bold and a few extra words like: "BUT DEAD HERO SOLDIERS AND DEAD TINY LITTLE GIRLS ARE FAIR GAME THOUGH?" No. Read before posting. added: An interesting point
Nexxo's law: The price of being the good guy is that you have to be the good guy. That means that you do not have the same choices, means and methods at your disposal as the bad guys do. This gives the bad guys an unfair advantage and allows them to cheat, basically, but that is evil's way, no? As a result the good guys do not always win, but that is the price of being the good guy. It is not a strategy; it is a life philosophy. It has nothing to do with winning, but everything to do with who you are. If the good guys start behaving like the bad guys, making the same choices and using the same means and methods to achieve the same aims (i.e. "winning"), then what difference is there between the good guys and the bad guys? None. There is just their side and our side, and there are no morals, no meaning, and our acts become as nihilistic as the murders of Milly Dowler, Jessica Chapman and Holly Wells.
I agree with all the fluffy goodness stuff. But I would rather we had a paper that stepped on a few toes to expose the real stuff we do need to know about. I wouldn't do it, I guess that is why I'm not a journo. And before anyone mentions little girls and soldiers again, yes, I agree that those subjects were out-of-order and let's see some heads roll. But exposing corruption, yes please. Sadly, corruption is likely to go unchecked now. Unless The Sun carries the torch, and I hope they do!
I'd rather that people focus on being good guys rather than focus on others being bad guys. It is not as if us knowing about the shenanigans of corrupt politicians makes any difference. We don't hold them to account and we don't behave any better ourselves. In fact, it seems a convenient excuse for us to behave a little worse. Hey, they are corrupt, so why should I be honest... Let's pay a little less attention to how other people behave, and a little bit more to our own actions. Perhaps we'll even obviate the need for sleazy tabloid journalism.
Nexxo has once again said what I wanted to, only so much neater Edit: Leveller, Nexxo never said that by not revealing it it would get rid of it, he infact implied that even though we reveal it, we still don't get rid of it. As a nation we are very negatively focused.
So, by not revealing corruption, that will help fix it? Nah, do me a favour. Agreed we need to see less corruption, and agreed we need to hold people to account.
No, by revealing corruption through corrupt means we are not revealing its wrongness. We are just point scoring against the other side. Again, they are doing it, so why shouldn't I... (Not so) metaphorically speaking: If we save the village by destroying it, is it really saved?
I'd rather put it back in a less dramatic comparison - you can't compare stealing sweets to burgling someones home.
