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Graphics Nvidia 3xxx series thread

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by The_Crapman, 6 Jun 2020.

  1. wyx087

    wyx087 Homeworld 3 is happening!!

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    Yep, I’m pretty pleased with my £510 EVGA XC Ultra after looking at those reviews.

    Considering 3080 AIB pricing, I think most 3070 will be around £500 anyway.
     
  2. Vault-Tec

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    There is always headroom dude. It just depends how much of it the maker needs to use to make it perform as it should for the price they are asking.

    Adored talked about Vega, and said if AMD had released it slower with a lower TDP and etc it would have been a better card. Sadly though they had no choice. Same with Fiji. I mean, if you underclock a card by 500mhz then put the clock back? that was your headroom I guess.

    Nvidia left tons of headroom on Pascal. Turing was nearly as good. This time though? well, that's what you get for cheaping out.

    And the more results I see from a quite excited 2080Ti? the more it is hitting home that this really is a poor release. At best at 4k? it's 15%. I thought it was odd that Jen did not talk about overclocking. He usually uses that for marketing too. I mean, these are enthusiast products after all right?.

    So the 3080 is "cheap"? no, not really. I mean it's cheaper than the 2080Ti was. However, if we delete Turing from history what do we get? 1080Ti £600 odd was it? and the £1300 Titan XP. What have we got now? a £650 3080 and the "Ti" still costs £1399.

    Has there been a performance uplift? of course. People acted surprised FGS. That's not a surprise, that is an expectation !

    I still love the cooler. I do. I think it's really a work of art, and a work of engineering art. 360w cooled by that. I've said that since day one, though. I even knew how it worked. But yeah, overall? Ampere is about as impressive as I knew it would be. Which isn't saying much, and it certainly delivered on the expectations I had.

    The 3070? haha if it's 15% slower than the 3080 and able to keep pace (like really keep pace) with the 2080Ti? I will be impressed. Somehow I just can't see that happening, though. Not if their claims are the same sort they made about the 3080, which have all pretty much turned out to be fake news.
     
  3. Vault-Tec

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    Well there we have it then.



    I rest my case.

    If you can get a good 2080Ti? get it whilst you can.

     
  4. The_Crapman

    The_Crapman Don't phone it's just for fun.

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    3080 is more power hungry than a 2080ti, but that's more power hungry than a 1080ti, but that's more power hungry than a 980ti...... This should not be a surprise to anyone.

    It's still a 20% increase OC vs OC which is not bad by any any stretch of the imagination, it's not amazing, it's not the biggest hugest uplift we've ever seen, but it is good.

    We've still yet to see what AIB cards will bring to the table. Those with 3x8pin might be able to offer up a little more power and let it really fill it's lungs, or they might not have another gear so will pedal really fast but not really get anywhere.

    This is all in pure rasterisation. Raytracing and dlss in particular has been a big focus of Nvidia for this gen, skipping a generation of tensor core and putting 3rd gen in. They're really banking big on it and we'll have to wait for a decent review focusing on that to see what they're really up for. It's a bit of a niche for now, but we've got our "standard 20%uptick", let's see what else it can do.
     
  5. wyx087

    wyx087 Homeworld 3 is happening!!

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    980 Ti - 250w, recommend 600w PSU
    1080 Ti - 250w, recommend 600w PSU
    2080 Ti - 250w, recommend 600w PSU
    3080 - 320w, recommend 700 PSU

    Granted, real world, 2080 Ti draws more watts than 980 Ti. But I don't like this trend....... 1.9x more performance per watt was promised. So 3080 power limited to 260w should give double performance of 2080 Ti. Both 102 chips.
     
  6. Spraduke

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    The biggest difference isn't the raw performance but the perf/£.

    Clearly anyone with a 2080ti isn't sitting on a completely outclassed graphics card now. However I, as mere peasant, could get 2080ti beating performance for half the sticker price of a 2080ti which seems like pretty good value to me. The 3070 might only just match a 2080ti on performance but for ~£500 vs ~£1400

    Now the fact that this is big news is totally a byproduct of how much Nvidia increased pricing last gen and lets be honest they haven't really lowered prices as the 3090 will still be equivalent to 2080ti launch pricing. But ultimately more frames per £ is a good thing for consumers.

    If you bagged a 2080ti second hand for around the same money as a 3080 I certainly wouldn't be kicking myself about it.
     
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  7. The_Crapman

    The_Crapman Don't phone it's just for fun.

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    It's likely the result of reaching the limits of what can be done with silicon and current manufacturing methods. You can make them smaller and shove more on a given space, but the tighter packed they are the more resistance you encounter and you need more power to overcome that is my theory.

    Part of the increase in recommended PSU wattage might be keeping the consumption in a more efficient part of its power band and therefore less prone to fluctuations and ripple. While the PCB is quite small and will be cramped, there still seems to be a heck of a lot of power circuitry. Besides the actual gpu and ram there's barely a mm without something soldered on it.

    Teardown is up.

    It's a very clever design and they've put a lot of effort into a smarter construction, not having to rely on a hundred screws to keep it together.
     
  8. rollo

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    If I upgraded to a 3080 I would gain 84% performance using the charts I have saw from my 1080 card, I consider that good going cost is about what I paid for that card as well.

    Problem for me my 1080 is not struggling at 1440p in the games I play these days, Outside of ff15 I dont think my rig has ever been pushed.

    I have always said buy the best you can at the time if you need it. If I had a 2080TI that I had paid £1k + for I would not be looking to upgrade to a 3080 anyway, 3080 TI or 4080 even in the future would be upgrade paths.

    The 2000 series was a ludicrous amount of money and when the 3080ti comes out I wonder what Nvidia will charge for it.
     
  9. true_gamer

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    Why are we comparing a 2080 "Ti" to a 3080? Should we not be looking at comparing the 3090 or 3080 Ti when that gets released, vs the 2080 Ti for a fairer comparison?

    What we should be doing is looking at the difference between a 2080 and the 3080, to see the real difference in generation performance leap.

    From what I remember when the 2080 was released, it was pretty much on par with a 1080 Ti.
    Here we can see the 3080 is up to 30% faster than a 2080 Ti in the many reviews I've seen.
     
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  10. wyx087

    wyx087 Homeworld 3 is happening!!

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    Around same money as 3070 non-FE ;)

    Agree, if buying any 3080, it has to be FE. Its cooler design, especially case-level airflow considerations are fantastic.

    Going forward, I hope AIB can catch up on their cooler-to-physical-size ratio. The amount of cooler packed in the 3080 FE is staggering.

    I'm finding the same. 1440p 60 Hz, I can run most of my games with 60% power limit and still manages higher quality than 1070 Ti.

    Isn't the 3090 considered to be a Titan replacement?
    2080 Ti is a 102 die with some blocked off SM's.
    3080 is a 102 die also with some blocked off SM's, though a higher percentage is blocked off.
    3080 Ti would be interesting, it probably would only have half SM blocked off, making it more comparable to 2080 Ti.
    Titan RTX is a 102 die with all of its SM's.
    3090 is a 102 die with all of its SM's.
     
  11. The_Crapman

    The_Crapman Don't phone it's just for fun.

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    3090 isn't a full fat 102. It's almost there, but it "only" has 10,496 cores when full 102 is 10752 as seen in the quadro. Those 256 cores might not make a whole lot of difference, but once gddr6x is available in 2GB chips, I wouldn't be surprised in the least to see a 3090ti or titan with all the cores and double the memory, along with a 3080ti. We'll definitely see a 3080ti to fit in the £700 gap at least.
     
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    We would do that if Jen hadn't called the 3080 the Flagship.

    3080 is 30% faster than a stock 2080Ti. However, because the 2080Ti is TSMC and actually overclocks (and has a unlocked vbios for more voltage) 2200 on water is quite common. At which point it's faster than a 3080 and you are indeed correct, the replacement for it is the 3090.

    Which costs the same.
     
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    The 1080Ti was still very much a diet cut down DX11 GPU. After Fermi they were all a lot smaller etc. Smaller die, clock harder. With RT though they are useless and Nvidia knew it. Hence the tank dies.

    If you are running on air? the 3080 could be a viable upgrade I guess. On water though? I reckon the 2080Ti is faster, given the 3080 is limited to a 6% oc. And I may be the odd one out, but those are the numbers and figures I care about. What's the point in water cooling a locked bloody GPU? the temps are not the problem the card is.

    Any way in other news OCUK is crawling lmao. And I've got my popcorn bucket and cup of coffee ready :D

    OCUK has crashed lol.

    CCL now says maximum 1 per customer.. Uh oh..

    CCL going very slow !

    Man down, man down !

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    :D

    CCL only got the crap and it's no cheap

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    Scan down ! SCAN DOWN !

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    Ebuyer on its knees.

    8 'n' 'alf, make ya laugh

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    So OCUK don't even actually have any. OK.
     
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  14. sandys

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    You water cool a locked GPU to maintain high boost clocks under load, no matter how good the air is, thermal throttling has been a thing on GPUs for years, 3xxx is unlikely to change that .
     
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    Only it isn't the case on the 3080. The temps are absolutely fine, even when it is using 360w.
     
  17. enbydee

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    The 6% OC is perhaps down to the nvidia bios restrictions currently in place and could well see increases later.
     
  18. Spanky

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    Nvidia store ... 14.00pm sharp!! ... only displayed Notify me .. i kept refreshing . 14.03pm ... Out of Stock. Didnt get the notification from Nvidia either . Let the price gouging commence.
     
  19. Anfield

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    Very likely they are also imposing voltage and power limits, not just thermal ones.
     
  20. sandys

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    The temps might be fine because it is dropping the clocks, the review you posted above shows a drop of upto 10% in clocks from max to average, being an average probably means it can drop more than 10%, if it is anything like my 1080Ti, keep it under 45c and it'll run 2.1Ghz all day long but as temp rises clocks drop off without custom BIOS to remove the various performance limiters.

    I am sure performance BIOSs and software will come in time, they always do, rarely on day one.
     

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