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News Nvidia points to 50 percent uplift from GTX 1080 to RTX 2080

Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by bit-tech, 22 Aug 2018.

  1. bit-tech

    bit-tech Supreme Overlord Staff Administrator

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  2. loftie

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    I was wondering if we'd see something like this come out from Nvidia. If true, performance looks nice. Still far too expensive though.

    Edit: "Turing GPU that features onboard Tensor and RTX cores" are they not RT cores? :confused:
     
  3. l3v1ck

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    Still no word on power consumption then?
     
  4. Anfield

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    If reviews actually proved it was consistently 50% faster than the 1080TI I'd swallow the price...

    but that seems unlikely given the whole issue of:
     
  5. bawjaws

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    As ever, I will wait for proper reviews... I'm not really interested in the top end cards in any case - something around the 2050Ti or 2060 is far more likely to be of interest to me. Especially if we can get a nice passive 2050Ti that doesn't need a PCIE power lead, something like the Palit 1050Ti KalmX but a bit faster.
     
  6. loftie

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    How much do you think the 2060/2050Ti considering the 2070 price?
     
  7. bawjaws

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    Well, probably more than the current 1060/1050Ti based on what we've see so far, but I have absolutely no idea, to be honest. No idea how fast they'll be either :D Quite a lot of unknowns at the moment so I'm just going to wait until these things are out there and reviewed before I make any plans (even tentative ones) about buying a 2000-series card.
     
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    I'll be guessing the 2050ti to be inline with the 1060 6GB, so £250-ish. Then the 2060 to be somewhere around £450 with a not-quite-a-2060 models at £350.

    The 2050ti won't be too expensive because it's the one they'll sell in about a bajillion off the peg systems, so it's got to hit that price point. I hope they refer to the two new 2060 models (and there will be two) as the 2060 and 2060ti this time, instead of the 1060 and the 1060, that was annoying.
     
  9. loftie

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    See i was expecting the 2060 to be current 1070 prices, 1050/Ti to be 1060 3/6GB prices since everything seems to have shifted up a tier in terms of pricing. And yea what they pulled with the 1060 naming was dumb.
     
  10. bawjaws

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    I don't really mind if the prices shift upwards, as long as the performance justifies the price (and there's still a card that meets my needs within my budget).
     
  11. RedFlames

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    Except, iirc they're saying it's 50% faster than the 1080 [non-ti]... Though given they're wanting 1080ti money for the [non-ti] 2080 thats what most will be comparing it to.
     
  12. Anfield

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    2080 vs 1080 yes, but the same should apply to 2080TI vs 1080TI (not saying it will apply, just that it would need to for me to be able to justify the price).
     
  13. Wakka

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    Yeah, I would guess about that range too - A £450 RTX 2060 would be way more crazy than a £1000 2080Ti imo...

    I think £300-350 (depending on model) for the RTX 1060, £200 for the 2050Ti and £150 for the vanilla 2050. If they are above that, good luck convincing anyone to upgrade, Nvidia.
     
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    I don't think I have ever spent much more than £200 on my graphics cards (new), this used to get you the 2nd tier card and now were talking about 5th tier for that price bracket. Second hand cards for me from now on!
     
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    Is it going to be an RTX 2060 though? I thought there was talk of a GTX 2060. Not entirely sure what the deal is.

    Also just with 5Gb of VRAM, how does that pan out? What is the comparison of 5Gb of GDDR6 v say 8Gb GDDR5?
     
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    That's what I have my eye on for son's machine (still using a ancient GTX 570) - there are millions of 1060's and 580's out there used for gaming/mining. At some point they are all going to start appearing on ebay and the prices should go through the floor.

    They said a GTX 2060 so no ray tracing, so no die space wasted on ray tracing hardware so it should be cheaper to make but it still gets DDR6 and the new 50% faster (Nvidia TM) cores.
     
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    When it was rumoured the 2080Ti, 2080 and 2070 were all bins of the same die then I'd probably have agreed. But with the 2080Ti having a different die to the 2080 & 2070, Nvidia clearly aren't shying away from the usual stack of x00/x02/x04 die variants. 'TU104' could still end up dropping RT and Tensor cores entirely, but that wouldn't be conducive to encouraging adoption. The interesting part would be what the SM distribution looks like on the smaller dies: raytracing scales pretty closely with render resolution, so unless they plump up the number of RT cores per SM then the RT pass would either need to be a lot sparser (quality compromise) or would 'peak out' at a lower rendering resolution (regardless of quality). Nvidia are already leaning hard on AI-assisted denoising to keep ray counts to reasonable levels, so I'd bet on the latter more than the former if they go for an RTX 2060.
    We'll know more once an actual announcement is made rather than rumours.
    In terms of bandwidth, 8GB GDDR5 will operate at 256GB/s (assuming a 256bit bus and 8GT/s/pin), 6GB GDDR6 at 336GB/s (assuming a 192bit bus and 14GT/s/pin), and 5GB GDDR6 at 280GB/s (assuming a 160bit bus and 14GT/s/pin).
     
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    That was a far more detailed response than expected but much appreciated.

    I guess as you say time will tell. It's a bit difficult working out improvements until reviewers have their hands on them and software can be updated to take advantage of the new capabilities.
     
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