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News Nvidia quietly launches GeForce 100-series GPUs

Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by CardJoe, 23 Mar 2009.

  1. zabe

    zabe Perfect in my imperfection

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    Absolutely agreed. Who cares what they're called like? That just helps in referencing your card's specs to your friends or whoever. Personally, I only look at the # of stream processors (keeping in mind the difference between the ATI and the NVIDIA ones), memory size, bus bit width and clock. Do you really need anything else?

    As a sidenote, I think what NVIDIA is doing right now really sucks. I've respected them for lots of years, I even have a gtx260 (see? short way of making you see the specs of my card) as a primary gpu and a 9800gt (which is a 8800gt anyway) as a physx gpu (though I'm still waiting for more games to support the API, which I believe will be very popular in about a year) because I like the direction in which they're going (except making the physx API proprietary, that's just retarded). But confusing less knowing consumers, who will just see a name, have absolutely no more idea of what they're buying than "oooh that sounds like it's gonna be powerful for my games", is downright unfair and nasty. Not cool, and the perfect way to lose customers.

    C'mon NVIDIA, go back to your old ways. You used to be a cool company making cool tech, now you're just bullying people, and even supporters like me are getting fed up about it.
     
  2. Turbotab

    Turbotab I don't touch type, I tard type

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    Technically you are bang on, however the clarity and honesty of a company's communication with its customers, is indicative of how it would respond, in the event of any problems with its products e.g. overheating cards! It's a shame, Nvidia is jeopardising the opportunity that its recent price cuts of the GTX 260 has created. The close performance between it and the 4870 1GB, mean that for many buyers the choice of purchase will come down to brand preference.
     
  3. DarkLord7854

    DarkLord7854 What's a Dremel?

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    Yea, that's exactly my problem, its not the revising of the cards, it's just so much unnecessary confusion where if you don't keep up-to-date on it on a daily basis now, you easily lose track of what cards are which previous cards.

    I honestly preferred it when they had the 9 series as mainstream and the 200 series as the super-high end.
     
  4. Nicb

    Nicb Let's discuss among ourselves

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    I think there is to much crying on this topic. :waah:

    I think what has happened is that they are in between two industries CPUs and Games, they have taken on the gaming idea of reusing and milking the cow out of their products. While they can only advance in technology so fast, like the CPU industry. So they freshing up their line of products to continue a steady level of sales with their fast pace relations to games. Thats a marketing tactic.

    They have 14 Corporate locations around the world. When a company is that big, the only way to keep it running is focusing on the bottom line. Changing the name works on sales to the masses. Most of the people out there want to "FEEL" (Instead of Know)they have a new computer, and changing the name gives that to them.

    I would not categorizes the attitude of the "Marketing Department" with the "Service Department". The service expected with help or warranty of product should be the same as always. Life Time Warranty!

    I agree that changing the name to cards for the masses is taking advantage of the tech ignorant people out there. But in this case they did it for Mac, HP, Dell, ect who ever is using these cards to manufacture pre built computers. Mac or others do not want an old name attached to their graphics card in the specs of their brand new computer built for the shelves.
    I don't expect that to ever change. Mac and others were the customer in this, and the customer I'm sure wanted the name change.

    I don't know a large company that is not this way about their products. But like I have always said if you "REALLY" know the truth it will always be disappointing. :eyebrow:
     
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  5. Goty

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    My only rebuttals to that post are A) ATI seems to handle not renaming their products just fine (for the most part) and B) as for the lifetime warranty, the cards are warrantied by the board partners, not NVIDIA.
     
  6. Nicb

    Nicb Let's discuss among ourselves

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    Goty, yyeeeaahhh I overlooked what I said, did not think or explain that all the way through. I was referring to this post of concern of recall or service.

    Just make sure everyone knows I'm not Fanboy. :) I'm a fan of both brands I have two ATI's and one Nvidia Card. I buy based on specs. lol

    I agree with you, and ATI has the better reputation right now with us. I believe Nvidia does better on the bottom line because of the name changes, even though to people like us it looks like dishonest business. They must have weighed the scale of pros and cons and said "Lets make more money." I have never seen a graph or the likes but I have noticed in my own investigation it looks as if the prebuilt computer companies have more of these Nvidia cards than ATI in them. There is no news with company quotes I can find, but I only can imagine they prefer the name changes for their computers.

    Just makes good business since to me, not only in looking like new cards with new computers, but common people will understand that to upgrade in the future they need to move up from 100 to 200 or beyond.
     
  7. Slyr7.62

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    Agreed. Someone call the WAAAHMBULANCE. If someone doesn't actively try to research an upgrade or ask for help to upgrade, they somewhat deserve to pay money for a 0-3% performance increase. It's 2009, there's a thing called the internet, and word of mouth. It doesn't take much effort to spend 1/2 hour reading the specs of a few GPU's to see what's an upgrade and what's not. :nono:.
     
  8. Turbotab

    Turbotab I don't touch type, I tard type

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    That is assuming that the non-tech minded people actually understand what they are reading, terms like ROPs, shaders, SIMD etc are probably worse than double Dutch to most folk, more like triple Dutch with a generous topping of Mandarin! Need arbitary proof of the above, go onto a mainstream gaming site and see how many people still believe the PS3 kicks out 1.8 teraflops!
     
  9. Horizon

    Horizon Dremel Worthy

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    word of mouth? ha, got to forums other than bit-tech, or tech sites. This happened to a friend of mine, this was month prior to COD4 coming out, he was upgrading from a 1950XTX, he came to me and asked me what cards were the best buy at the time, I told him honestly the wasn't anything worth buying from ATI except another 1950XTX to crossfire, as for he'd have to wait awhile as the 8800gt was supposed to be coming out for 200, and don't look at anything less performance-wise. Now he goes over to his WOW playing buddies and they thoroughly convince him to buy an 8600gt simply because it an 8-series card therefore it should be better than what he has now, a couple weeks later guess who has a problem that they can't play call of duty. And I am sure word of mouth is a check mark under the pros column, when it comes to rebranding.
     
  10. Elton

    Elton Officially a Whisky Nerd

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    Word of mouth is quite unreliable most of the time, it's almost always much better to ask a few people then research it yourself, I'd honestly find this totally acceptable except that unlike most name revisions(HD2900-HD3800), there's no modification or die shrinks involved, just the naming is different, if it were not so, It'd be perfectly acceptable to me.

    But I will admit there is quite a bit of whining, which is to me fine, seeing as this is a horrible business practice just to trick customers into buying something.
     
  11. LordPyrinc

    LordPyrinc Legomaniac

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    WTF? My last 3 cards have been NVidia, but I'm thinking about moving back to the ATI camp. This numbering scheme is crap. I really feel for the average consumer that gets duped because they dont realize that the rebranding and numbering of slower cards are being marketed without disclosing that they may be inferior to existing cards with a higher model number. That being said, I will definitely be doing my research the next time I upgrade. I'm just pissed with the current business practices. NVidia seems to be flooding the market with a morass of cards that one has to sift through to figure out which cards are actualy worth upgrading to.
     
  12. knutjb

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    Looks like Nvidia is scamming with more of their "Who's on first" routine. They make a good product but with the crazy renaming of their product lines top to bottom I can't be sure what I'm getting. AMD/ATI will likely be getting my cash when I buy a new card soon because I know and understand their naming scheme. The "best buy" isn't solely based on specs it also includes confidence in what you are buying and most buyers will be confused by Nvidia's recycling program. Time to fire the marketing guys...
     
  13. Elton

    Elton Officially a Whisky Nerd

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    What impresses me is that they've had the same card that's still lasted this long for almost 3 years. (8800GT)
     
  14. iwod

    iwod What's a Dremel?

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    I suppose renaming is really an non- issues. As long as they gets cheaper.
    But it was the performance / price that is not getting along, that is why ATI made a come back.
     
  15. ssj12

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    well no matter what it makes naming conventions easier to understand for the general customer in terms of the OEM desktop GPUs.

    Still I agree Nvidia still has some major issues with their mobile line, never realized it was that bad. ATI's Mobile cards suck but at least you know what your buying.
     
  16. xaser04

    xaser04 Ba Ba Ba BANANA!

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    My Mobilty HD4850 begs to differ on your second point. The HD3xxx series mobility GPUs were a bit meh (didn't help that alot of them were coupled with the Turion CPU's) but the new HD4xxx series are excellent (in a way just like the desktop lineup), as pointed out the mobility HD4850 / HD4870 are simply downclocked versions of the desktop cards- they have the full feature set enabled.
     
  17. naokaji

    naokaji whatever

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    With nvidia you know what you get as well, a slight variation of the 8800 Series:D

    for the enthusiast market the whole rename game they are playing is horrible, but the enthusiast market is not the main cash cow, they make most of the money selling low end cards to oems and to consumers who got cheated by oems with integrated gpus.
     
  18. [USRF]Obiwan

    [USRF]Obiwan What's a Dremel?

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    Better ask yourself why Nvidia still doesn't have any new 'real' GPU core. They re branding their flagship of 2007, the G2xx core over and over again bringing nothing new to the table. It's the total lack of competition in the high end that causes this.

    How fast do you think Nvidia will have new Gxxx GPU Core available when their earth rival Ati would bring out a GPU next month thats four times faster then the GTX295. I bet Nvidia already has the designs of their next gen GPU laying around somewhere for a year at least!

    The fact is, that releasing new hardware now is useless because it would be totally overkill for the games out now and games to come. Dx10 is around for over two years and the games releases supporting DX10 can be counted on two hands. The only game that brings the hardware to the knee is Crysis. I say its because of the bad coding, or Crytec made a deal with GPU vendors to sell more expensive GPU hardware.
     
  19. dec

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    ATi is eventually going to reach HD9xxx series and i bet something similar this is going to happen. unless ATi remembers how pissed we are about the renaming. @Obiwan I think that "new" design doesnt exist. Watch the GTX300 series be just a higher clocked GTX200 series.

    I hope ATi releases its 4890(x2) and it destroys gtx285's and 295's. Just to give nvidia a good kick in the face and make them actually TRY. For good measure start selling 4850's @ $85 like the 4830's lol
     
  20. Turbotab

    Turbotab I don't touch type, I tard type

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    Seriously, lets be objective, just to run DirectX 11, Nvidia will require new architecture, because of the hardware tessellation and other new features. Nvidia has already spoken about how the next-gen cards will be a major jump in technology, through the adoption of MIMD processing, and the use of 40nm fabs. Of course, we will have wait until the first proper benchmarks, to verify how well the marketing message, translates into cold facts. The GT 200 cards may well be an enhanced version of their G92 core, but they still offered great performance, the trouble was ATI could offer comparable grunt for significantly less money. Nvidia can be very inscrutable, but outright liars, I think not.
     
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