News Nvidia reveals RTX 2000 series

So does every person who is in business take what they say with a large pinch of salt.

It’s been known for some time that Nvidia would offer its next gen gpus this year

They said so themselves in investor meetings.

Follow those not conferences

As he can be charged for market manipulation if he told porkys in those ones.

As far as a monopoly is concerned

Good luck with that one

Intel holds approx 80% of the gpu market when you include built in gpus. Even AMD has a bigger market share than Nvidia in this scenario

And it’s how Nvidia would argue it.

 

I think the markets are distinct personally.. The barriers to entry for both markets are pretty high and I think they should be looked at differently... As AMD's CPU offering improves I expect their integrated share will significantly increase as its better from the "get go" and let down historically by the CPU....

Nvidia does need to be careful..

I always buy every Nvidia gen...
BUT

I have never been less excited about a launch, I will be sitting out this series... Helped significantly by the fact that the 1080ti is such a great card.

LP

 

Justify it anyway you want to, dude. No skin off mine.

 

It'll be interesting to hear about the power consumption for these.
I'll be waiting for a mobile version before I replace my eight year old laptop, assuming they not less power efficient than the current generation.

 

It's not so much that it's 'too expensive' as like you say if you're going to be using raytracing regularly then it's a price worth paying, i get the impression the complaints that it's 'too expensive' are because the majority of people are probably not going to be using it regularly.

They're being asked to pay more for an admitedly desirable feature that may only be used 10-20% of the time.

 

If that... Is this Nvidias AMD moment.. Where they go all core crazy (bulldozer esque) when its too early...... I feel like they have added a load of stuff that is simply coming too early.. Maybe it will spark development but I would still say you are better waiting for the cards after these as those developments will take time....

Nvidia can affor to drop the ball though with the lead they have.. Personally I think they have dropped the ball..

 

And the Bit-Tech 2018 award for best imagery in a post goes to The Crapman for his Nvidia pickaxe cock comment!

Lets face it, at the moment they have all the money in the world. Shortly they'll also have all of everyone else's money in the world. And since AMD aren't too close behind they also have all the time in the world. So them screwing up won't be an issue as you say.

 

RTX 2070 looks good though. Better performance than the GTX1080Ti for somewhat less money and considerably less wattage.

 

Unlike AMD (who dropped HSA but offered little developer support for it) Nvidia know that they need to both put out the hardware and get the software ready to go at the same time. They've done it before with CUDA after all.

The obvious solution being "buy a perfectly good 10xx series card" or "don't buy a new GPU at all and save a bundle!". It's not a problem unless you've made the decision you need the Newest Biggest Number Card Right Now, and only look at the pricetag or performance in your use-case afterwards.

 

AFAIK he said it's faster than a 1080Ti, but that could be just WRT ray tracing. Have to wait and see TBH, and it won't be much cheaper, cheapest current 1080Ti on OCUK is £670, so maybe £100 less unless you buy an Asus

 

We're not dealing with the obvious though, we're dealing with human nature, people understandably get annoyed when they're told they need to pay more if they want to occasionally use something that's desirable.

It's a bit like finding out your car insurance has gone up by £500 because loads of people down your road made a claim last year, while there may only be a 10-20% chance of you needing to make a claim you still have to pay more because one day you may need it.

 

Well this is a terrible analogy Car insurance is compulsory if you own a car and has to be renewed every year, a new GPU is not compulsory if you own a PC and you can happily keep an existing GPU without having to spend more money. And almost no-one needs a 2000-series GPU or its new features.

 

Yea it's not great is it, I've been trying to think of decent one all day after it seemed most people were commenting on the price, that's the best i could come up with so feel free to come up with a better one.

I toyed with it being like a phone contract where you have to pay extra for something you rarely use but is handy to have but i just ended up confused myself.

 

Except it isn't that simple, because how do you define "occasionally use" when it comes to raytracing?
Even if a handful of AAA games in the next year or two happen to make use of it (and thats the best case scenario) those games will be less than 0.001% of games available and I guess most of the people on bit-tech have long ago stepped out from the tiny AAA bubble and into the light.

Also just because something is objectively superior doesn't mean it will really take off among game developers, Raytracing may well end up meeting the same fate as Vulkan...

 

I just watched yesterday's stream. Does the new dual-fan FE design remind anybody else of EVGA's Cheesecake editions?

Also, I'll just leave this here: https://www.pcgamesn.com/nvidia-rtx-2080-ti-hands-on

 

Even if they have dropped the ball they have the money to sit on this for a year while 10XX cards clear stock and then drop the prices aggressively if 20XX demand turns out to be poor. It's not like AMD is likely to release a competitive card with the 2080 in the next 18 months, they haven't even caught the 1080 yet.

 

Although I haven't played games for a while now (and you guys are going to absolutely hate this, but my 1080Tis may just about be the most underused cards on the planet - screw mining), it looks as though the 1xxx era cards I have are a solid choice for another generation.

Never would've thought it would be two years since the launch of the last Titan to see a new generation of card.

 

"RTX OPS" makes me laugh and roll my eyes at the same time.

I hope AMD follows suit and starts offering performance metrics in "VEGA OPS", because branded numbers with no meaning is the best kind of benchmark.