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News Nvidia warns of continued 28nm shortages

Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by Gareth Halfacree, 13 Aug 2012.

  1. Gareth Halfacree

    Gareth Halfacree WIIGII! Staff Administrator Super Moderator Moderator

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  2. azrael-

    azrael- I'm special...

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    Hmmm... Is it me or is it always nVidia complaining about its process tech? And trying to shift the blame to TSMC. Very odd.
     
  3. dunx

    dunx ITX is where it's at !

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    Shame, guess we'd better leave prices sky high then ?

    Hmmm....
     
  4. kenco_uk

    kenco_uk I unsuccessfully then tried again

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    Aye, long gone are the days when a high end gfx card would set you back a mighty £210 (9800GTX on release, only four years ago). High end atm is £399's worth of GTX680. Barmy.
     
  5. ssj12

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    Many other companies have complained about TSMC being slow. Nvidia is far from the only one.
     
  6. Bede

    Bede Well-Known Member

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    TSMC has been the limiting factor on many projects for over half a decade now.
     
  7. Harlequin

    Harlequin Well-Known Member

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    Problem is though, UMC arn`t on the bleeding edge and GloFo are also having issues.
     
  8. ssj12

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    Can anyone tell me why TSMC hasnt built a new facility or two by now?
     
  9. Harlequin

    Harlequin Well-Known Member

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    they dont need one? its the yields from the fab process thats the issue not the size of the factory
     
  10. Elton

    Elton Officially a Whisky Nerd

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    Well you have to remember that outside of shrinking the die of the mighty 8800GTX/Ultra, there really weren't many fundamentally large differences between G80 and G92. It was cheaper because AMD at the time managed to at least recapture some market share with their Die shrunk RV670 (HD3870) but they were still lagging behind and the GTX280 was still in the works.

    Of course the moment the released the GT200 we saw that it really did transcend G80/G92, but before that the reason for the high end being momentarily cheap was that there was no real high end at the time except for the Dual GPU 9800GX2.

    Cost efficiency. It really isnt' efficient to invest in so many tools, optics and litography if the process which is still flawed is going to be replaced soon by a smaller node. Plus those tools are extremely expensive anyhow.
     
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    play_boy_2000 It was funny when I was 12

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  12. Elton

    Elton Officially a Whisky Nerd

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    Or how about the fact that those times were anomalous? All other times the high end usually ranged at a higher 399 quid for the high end. Look at G70/RV5xx era. The NV40/RV4xx era. Look at all other instances in history and we see that the low has nothing to do with currency but rather a difference in the markets.
     
  13. AndyBradley_0255

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    Yeah I remember getting two HD3870's as soon as they were released to replace a pair of X1900's for £160-ish each, and the HD4870/4850's were not much more than that either. High end/Top end GFX cards were loads cheaper back then.
     
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    They have. It's a $5Bn+ investment though. It seems from 40 and below, yield is just not high - especially for multi-billion transistor parts. They aren't ARM chips.
     
  15. Harlequin

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  16. Tynecider

    Tynecider Since ZX81

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    Hmm
    Them: PROBLEM >>>
    Us: REACTION >>>
    Them: SOLUTION.

    Translates to.....
    Them: "Were short on material's" >>>
    Us: "Oh no, We had better spend, spend, spend" >>>
    Them: "Why don't you buy some of these".

    But really means....

    Them: "We're not making enough profit to keep the stock holder's happy" >>>
    Them: "Let's advertise a scarcity of materials" >>>
    Them: "And make sure we get rid of this magical stock of material's at full profit".


    Or they genuinely could be telling the truth
     

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