News OCZ files for bankruptcy, Toshiba looks to purchase

Again: what change do you suggest? You can't say "change is needed" without knowing what change is needed and why; you might as well be saying "custard is needed."

 

No, you're just the guy shouting that things have to change then clamming up when asked how exactly that might work. Which is spectacularly unhelpful in any given situation, and more often than not leads to terrible consequences of the "something must be done; this is something; therefore we must do this" variety. If you have ideas for change, put them forward; if not, find others who have put ideas for change forward and support theirs. Either way, don't just shout "CHANGE" at random intervals.

And if you have ideas for change that would mean I could own a semiconductor fabrication plant without needing a business loan or any other form of third-party finance, let me know. I quite fancy the idea of building my own chips.

 

I fail to see how that would allow someone like me to start up a company like OCZ sans finance. (Also, I'm pretty sure that our population to land mass ratio makes it impossible for us to be self-sufficient as a nation - unless you fancy putting everyone in low-energy high-rise buildings and turning the rest of the land over to high-intensity battery farming. That, or decimate the populace.)

Ditto.

Has it? 'Cos I'm pretty sure Greenland still has a government, not to mention banks - banks that provide loans to businesses and private individuals, no less. And, again, I'm failing to see how having no government and no banks would help me set up my OCZ-alike.

And we're replacing money with what, exactly? The barter system doesn't scale, and again this isn't getting me any closer to my unfunded OCZ-alike start-up (which, at this point, has no bank account and now no money 'cos we've just 'phased it out.')

That's not a plan for change, that's an empty statement.

I fail to see anything there that addresses your initial point: that the 'system' somehow failed OCZ, and requires change. None of the changes listed above would have allowed OCZ to be founded, much less prosper, even ignoring the complete impossibility of the majority of them.

 

So the Bank of Greenland isn't Greenland's central bank?

Reading up on what? You've provided nothing but the claim that money needs to go away.

That statement makes no sense. Here's a simple question: what should OCZ have done differently?

You weren't stating a point about the article, which was about OCZ filing for bankruptcy; you were espousing your, so-far ill-explained, political views using the article as a springboard. Make no mistake: I didn't bring politics into this discussion, you did, and I'm still waiting to hear your plan for my formation of an OCZ-like company without external finance (and, now, without money too.)

 

What rot. My parents had a mortgage on their house, and I'm willing to bet yours did - or do - too. It doesn't matter how much saving I do, I'll never be able to afford a semiconductor plant - which is the very root of this discussion, and one you appear to be completely avoiding. That, by the way, is the hallmark of a troll: prolonging a discussion by refusing to address the matter at hand and instead retreating into tangents.

No, I really, really don't.

That's not how a debate works: if you have a point to make, you provide the evidence required to make that point. The burden of proof is upon you. Add to that, I don't know which of the dozens of post-monetary-unit economies you're espousing here - I could spend entire minutes debunking the wrong one!

So, once the changes you have still yet to elaborate upon have taken place - how would Neo-OCZ set up as an SSD manufacturer? (That's not trolling, that's a genuine question - I honestly don't understand any of the points you're trying to make.)

I think you and I may have very different definitions for the word 'trolling.' And, as it happens, I don't have any hatred for anything different - in fact, I haven't mentioned my own political views once in this thread. You're assuming, there, that because I haven't immediately agreed with whatever vision of the future you've opted to support (and still haven't explained to the point where I can actually understand it) that I must be in favour of the status quo - but that is far from the truth.

There are quite a few above, but if you'd prefer to discuss this via PM I'd love for you to provide a more in-depth explanation of how your vision of the future actually works - in particular the no-money, no-banks, self-sufficient parts. (I won't even ask you to PM me an explanation of how a company like OCZ could form in such a scenario - at least, at first.)

 

Okay. As a start, I'll PM you my entire last post - feel free to respond to the questions therein whenever you get a chance.