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Build Advice ok. my potato is dieing, time to get spendy.

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by Golden-1, 18 Oct 2017.

  1. Golden-1

    Golden-1 Minimodder

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    ok. so my current rig is "having some issues".

    things wouldn't be there on reboot. c:. gpu. keyboard. stuff i kinda need.

    i tracked it down to a faulty psu. the +5v rail became the "5ish" volt rail and the 12v rail the "meh, close enough" rail.

    so i went out and got a corsair 1200ax
    .. and whilst it DOES fit in my case, the damage has been done. four sata ports (or more likely the sata controller they're attached to), one set of 4 usb ports, and two pcie slots just dont wanna any more.

    and besides, e:d and sc were getting choppy.


    so. this is my solution

    i do have a few questions though.

    firstly, will i see a noticeable difference between ddr 4 2666, 3000, 3200 or 3400 ?
    from what i gather, the Threadripper likes faster ram, but there's a big diminishing return beyond a certain point. i went with the "all things being even, get the lower latency" approach. (and the plan is to pick up another 4 16gb sticks after christmas or so).


    secondly, other than heat sinks made from pure unobtanium, there appear to be no currently available full coverage 280 rad AIO's. i contemplated the Noctua.. but then decided that yes. at some point it's getting an overclock. and from what i've seen, the bottleneck in that endeavour is firstly the heatsink, THEN the power supply.

    i may swap out one of the m.2's for a smaller one. small m.2 for boot. bigger for steam/sc libs, big ass hdd for everything else.

    the monitor is just there because.. well, i dont NEED need a new monitor right now.. but yeah. i need a new monitor some time. (jan sales?)


    oh. and the vive is non-negotiable.
     
  2. yuusou

    yuusou Multimodder

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    You're making me so jelly right now. That build is, for the most part, my dream rig. Damn you!
     
  3. MadGinga

    MadGinga oooh whats this do?

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    Five thousand. Five. Thousand. FIVE. THOUSAND. just, wtaf?
    Just, wow. I could never justify that sort of spend - but fair play to you, that is one hell of a rig!
     
  4. Vault-Tec

    Vault-Tec Green Plastic Watering Can

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    Get in there my son :D what a rig !!

    Ryzen sees improvements up to around 3400, then it starts to diminish. 3200 is perfect, but 3000 is fine also. If you do build it then please share pics etc :D

    Don't buy that GPU it's total crap (well, the cooler).
     
  5. Golden-1

    Golden-1 Minimodder

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    well, that's not including the vive. or the OTHER 64gb or ram. but does include the monitor...
     
  6. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    Enermax do the LiqTech TR4, although the only place in the UK that lists them is overclockers and their out of stock.
     
  7. Chris_Waddle

    Chris_Waddle Loving my new digital pinball machine

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    I love that case and have built a system using that one for a friend - being able to adjust the position of the motherboard is great, especially when fitting a roof mounted radiator.

    One thing I will mention is with the built in fan hub; it's positioned on the reverse of the motherboard back plate, near to the top.
    It's fine for most fan positions, but if you install any fans at the bottom (I put one there to cool the hard drives), then the fan cables won't reach the hub.
    I got so frustrated trying to get all of the fan cables to connect to the hub, I ended up using a spare front bay fan controller that I had (I didn't have any fan cable extensions leads).
    You can of course plug the bottom fans directly into the motherboard, but as there is no covering at the bottom of the case for the power supply etc it's hard to hide the cables neatly and I do not like seeing cables all over the place If I know that I can hide them

    Out of interest, is there a reason you have gone for 2 x 1TB 960 Pro's over a 1 x 2TB? The reason I ask is that on that board, the first M2 drive is positioned under the chipset cover which helps to cool the drive. If you use more than one M2 drive, you have to install them onto a separate board which slots next to the RAM. It's one of the only things I don't like about the board - I'm amazed that there isn't room on the board for more than 1 M2 drive.

    Very nice build though!
     
  8. Golden-1

    Golden-1 Minimodder

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    One drive for the os. Past experience has shown that Windows gets a little bloaty at times, and works better with a pageing file that's twice the size of the ram... And I'm aiming at getting 8x16 in there...

    The other is for certain large space based games..which are known for beating hell out of the drive..

    The one that's going in the additional m.2 bracket is getting a heat spreader, and should be dead center from one of the front fans.

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    The strix board actually has enough fan headers that I may actually be able to route everything through the motherboard... And the Strix version of the 1080ti has two additional 4 pin fan headers and an rgb header.. Which means it can do the lighting....
     
  9. Pete J

    Pete J Employed scum

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    My question to you is do you really need threadripper? Otherwise you could go with another Ryzen chip and mobo and save a lot of cash.

    Do you need 64GB RAM? 32GB is total overkill at the moment and 16GB is enough to run everything at the moment unless you game while compressing videos and keeping many, many browser tabs open. Also, if you do do that? POR QUE? Knock off ~£300 there.

    Same for the SSDs - jesus they're fast, but you could get 850s and knock off another £400 and I highly doubt you'll notice the difference.

    You don't need a 1200W PSU. A 600W one would be fine and again, would save you >£100. If you're planning to SLI it up (which works well for Star Citizen btw), a 800-1000W PSU would be good.

    Also, after having used AIO coolers for the last four years or so, I've gone back to air cooling. Less to go wrong. And cheaper, usually.
     
  10. Gareth Halfacree

    Gareth Halfacree WIIGII! Staff Administrator Super Moderator Moderator

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    Did you see that he's looking to add a second 64GB to it later, bringing it up to 128GB? I don't think "need" really comes into it!
     
  11. Ramble

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    This is pretty overkill. You may as well split it into 2x £2500 and have a shorter upgrade cycle. Get rid of the second SSD, downside the ram to something cheaper, go with regular ryzen and possibly a cheaper motherboard. That'll save you loads.

    https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/hnQyGf

    £2k cheaper and still a nice setup (mobo chosen mostly at random).
     
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  12. sandys

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    LOLing @Pete J suggesting restraint :D

    Threadripper likes low latency and speed, all ties into the intra chip infinity fabric performance so appears to scale quite nicely provided you don't have to slacken the timing, I've run up to 3600 on mine and have seen tangible benefits all the way up but the step from 3466 to 3600 wasn't so great as timings had to be dropped to CL16.

    Unfortunately for me I had to settle with 3333 when I shifted to 4 Dimms as the motherboard didn't want to play ball from a cold boot with regularity at higher clock rates, despite being able to pass every stability test known to man for days :D This still has me with ~95-100Gb/s bandwidth read/write/copy and latency at ~60ns, you'll see most reviews have much higher latency and lower bandwidth generally as they just pop RAM in and run XMP which tend to be suite to Intel and quite slack.

    Machine still puts out top fps but it's annoying to not have that extra few % I did no research when buying though so am happy with my lot :)

    The platform likes Samsung B die but for the amount of ram you want you'll be lucky to hit high speeds as it will be Dual Rank so you might want to get on somewhere like overclock.co.uk where there are people running large amounts of RAM at a reasonable clip for recommendations, of course motherboard QVL lists also, XMP speeds mean jack **** on Ryzen, that's an Intel thing.

    Asus Zenith and Taichi seem to be the well supported boards, to my knowledge the Zenith is the only one with NVMe Raid support.

    Consider a custom water loop and get your GPU in it too rather than an AIO, if you are worried about disassembling a card buy an ASUS Posiden 1080Ti or some such, 1080TIs will boost all 2Ghz+ all day long under water.

    with M2 the PM961s are quite a bit cheaper and sit between normal SSDs and the Evos, mine perform great.

    If you are not happy dicking about with BIOS to get performance out of the RAM and all the stability testing that goes with it buy an Intel setup. Un-optimised you'll be leaving 10-15% of untapped potential, might require less faff with future updates but that is how it stands now. To be fair performance is not shonky without fiddling as most reviews show.
     
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  13. sandys

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    How high is that M2 DIMM thing as one of these might work.
     
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    I'm glad someone said it because this seems a silly build for gaming. A 7900X with a little OC + EK WC kit will be plenty. Throw in an MSI 1080Ti Seahawk into that loop and it's lovely build.
     
  15. Wakka

    Wakka Yo, eat this, ya?

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    Beat me to it - the guy who "upgraded" 2 Titan XP's to 1080Ti's arguing cost vs performance :hehe:



    Mate, if you got the cash to burn, MAKE A FIIIIAAAAAH!
     
  16. Pete J

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    Never 'upgraded' them. I have a main rig and a lounge rig :p

    To the OP - we need to actually know what you're doing with this rig.
     
  17. Golden-1

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    Do I *need* it for gaming? Probably not. Gaming, streaming and encoding, doing VR SIM racing? Yes.

    i was going to post yesterday. now i'm typing on a chrome-net-top. . did you know that if stressed enough, you can watch an atom redrawing the chrome window?

    the i1200 i already have. my reasoning being that a) it was the only one in the shop, and b) if it's loaded with under 700w it doesnt even turn the fan on. mostly a) however.

    there's an enermax liqtech 240 in stock in manchester... at a place that specialises in watercooling. i'll ask them about designing a small loop. .. and look at the pre-installed 1080ti's.. the only thing i'm slightly wary off is de-coolerizing an £800 video card... and adding the *second* 1080ti to the loop after christmas.
     
  18. Gareth Halfacree

    Gareth Halfacree WIIGII! Staff Administrator Super Moderator Moderator

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    128GB of RAM? No. You could leave Windows running for a month and it's not even going to hit the edges of that.
     
  19. sandys

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    With proper planning you can build a loop to take a 1080Ti later and it could be easy to fit later with quick disconnects for example.

    If you don't want to take a future card apart just go for a prebuilt, as mentioned the Asus Poseidon will work on air for testing prior to plumbing in, handy as you can test it on air and just plumb it in at your convenience, no GPU strip down.

    A Noctua and an AIO have broadly similar performance, a custom built setup with some good rads and blocks will be better, even with everything in the same loop.

    Your system is overkill but so what, go for it. Windows is quite memory efficient, if you don't have stuff that will use the RAM don't bother, stick with 4x8 (Quad channel, hence 4 sticks) and you'll get some reasonable speed out, the more sticks of ram the likely hood the slower it will have to run, goes for Intel also.

    Disagree with the comments on normal SSDs, M2 all the way for the extra performance they don't cost a lot more, you'll have plenty of lanes on the right Intel platform or threadripper use them.
     
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