I agree with you guys. People molesting children should be shot, on sight, no questions asked. However the article does point out flaws such as there being less inscentive to leave the victim alive. What do you think on this Nexxo? Would be intrested to read your view.
Another far right scaremonger's fear of a threat that does exist but is widely exaggerated by the press in both the US and the UK... Is capital punishment wrong or right? It will be debated for years but as for the article, i can see both sides of the argument, but in my opinion it is unconstitutional
Basically it comes down to Is paedophilia a mental problem? Should mentally-ill people be executed? Build more jails and secure mental hospitals. Isolation from society works for me, for all judged a danger to society in general. Letting bad folk out early because the prisons are overcrowded is a lousy reason. Not so many years ago homosexuals were thought a serious danger to children. Now we accept it's just how they're wired. I see a parallel with the Bush war on terrorism - kill this guy just in case one day he decides to attack me or mine. It works for that guy, but it's no deterrent.
LOL! I spose that's one way to put it. Homosexuality is between two consenting adults though, and is totally up to them and noone else. But children. Even if they are mentally ill, as long as they know what they were doing then tbh, I dont see a problem with it. Children should have the ultimate protection. It's repeat offenders afterall, I mean, if they cant be helped the first time and persist even after being told not to, then they have absoultely no place in society.
This is repeat child molesters Cpemma, it's not one off things, and its not just for anyone who feels in inclination to do such things, but do not do them. It's for people who've repeatedly proved that they're going to continue to abuse children.
OK, then let's stop drawing lines. Include gross physical abuse, mental abuse, and let's make it illegal to sell our advanced weapons abroad, and so reduce the number of kids in the 3rd world killed and maimed by civil wars. And how about feeding them and ensuring they get clean water and medicines? Though that might involve some self-sacrifice of our fat Western comforts. Then why are they back out in the community? I've no objection to very long custodial sentences. But the death penalty never solved anything, apart from the human satisfaction of revenge.
Human beings from birth (note not from conception) to death should have the ULTIMATE protection. Age changes nothing for me
Because they plead guilty and get time of a sentence, or do relatively minor things maybe getting more serious each time. I'm pretty sure Nexxo would say that these people aren't just suddenly be cured of peadophillia, from what I understand people almost never lose that nature, and its extremely hard to shake it off for the few who manage to.
Well if it was me in charge, they'd never get otu of prison after the first offence, so i wouldn't need to be executing anybody. or I might just be putting the repeat child abusers in the same cells as the murderers and start taking odds on how long they last. That way the people are happy as the abusers never get out and the goverments happy as it does not sanction executions, it can be recorded as accidental death whilst in custody.
Good points. I'll try to address them in turn. @ The cheapskate: given the way that repeat child molesters think and work, and given that their perversion requires anonymity, I'm not sure that they would spare a child's life in any case. @ cpemma: you could say that paedophilia is a personality disorder. Where it extends beyond collecting child porn to actually violently molesting children on a repeated basis, you could say it is a very dangerous personality disorder. In that respect it is not different from other forms of socio- or psychopathy. So an appropriate comparison could be made with serial killers. How do we treat them? Society's fears of homosexuality being a danger to children is of course an unfounded one. Homosexuality has nothing to do with paedophilia, which specifically focusses on submitting children to sexual acts (the key issue being their unequal power status in the "relationship", due to their being physically, sexually and cognitively less developed). @ Strategy: because the key issue here is about imbalance of power, castration would not help. Like rape, it is not really about the sex; it is about wielding total power over someone, right down to the most initmate aspect of their being. This is why most rapes, and most child molestation by repeat offenders tends to be characterised by acts of violence --these are not a quick feel under a little girls dress. A castrated offender will still offend. @ cpemma again: although I totally agree with you, people often cannot see further than their community. Typically, we also find it hard to control things beyond our own community. Now child molestation involves gross physical and mental abuse anyway, but I am inclined to think that these should indeed be explicitly lumped in. I also agree that the death penalty doesn't really solve anything. I don't think it will be an effective deterrent --it has never been so. The only advantage is that a repeat offender will not get a chance to offend again. My objection to the death penalty is that mistakes tend to be made, and innocent people might get killed. Morever, even if mistakes can be ruled out, what sort of person would we get who is happy enough to pull the switch? Unless we accord that right to the family of the victim (as occurs in some cultures) we would just end up in a scenario where one psychopath kills another psychopath in a socially approved sterile ritual. Not a healthy scenario, IMO.
I'd do it, if it paid well. Think a lot of peolpe would. Killing in cold blood, thats one thing, but state sanctioned murder is like war, people don't seem to mind doing it so much. A little quirk of humans I suppose.
Hmmm, im kinda hoping that although people might kill in self defence or defence of another when the adrenaline is pumping and in the heat of the moment, that they might just shy away from pressing the big red button or huge switch if they have no envolvment in the case. Im sure some family members of the victim won't have a problem though.
And is we go the death penalty route, that's the way it should happen, in my opinion. Let the family of the victim press the button. Let's make it personal. Because murder, rape and molestation always are.
i agree. repeat offenders should be executed, with family of the victim(s) pulling the switch. should the family be unwilling or unable (in cases where there is no one related to the victim(s)), then an appointed representative would assume the duty of executioner. it isn't a deterrant, but if they are repeat offenders they have already squandered a chance, possibly several chances, at redemption and rehabilitation.
Just out of interest, what happened to "If you can get away with it..."? PLEASE NOTE WELL: I agree with this article wholeheartedly. I'd just be interested in spec's response....
cold blood, n: a state of mind marked by premeditation and deliberateness —usually used in the phrase in cold blood if i kill someone in "cold-blood" in california a prosecutor can argue for the death penalty. Because when the government kills me in cold blood it magically brings justice to the universe (not to mention reanimates my victim). sorry to godwin the thread, but its the most apt analogy: if we responded to the germans gassing the jews by gassing all the germans, we'd be just as bad. but we didn't kill any american civillians because of tgheir heritage, because we are better than them! and the worst thing about being the good guys is that we have to act like it. if you people want to take two eyes for every eye you should stop calling yourselves the good guys. I'm not trying to insult anyone, i just want honesty. not to mention that i think having every bowel movement scrutinized for the rest of your natural life while being held in "protective custody" because all the murderers and bank robbers want to kill you (hmmm, it seems the "bad guys" in jail want to do the same thing the so-called "good guys" want to do.) is a worse punishment than lethal injection.
