Osama Bin Laden Dead

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  1. Kovoet

    Kovoet What's a Dremel?

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    Unless people have been put in this real situation they will never know. Wait till have those same try to shoot with a Ak then lets us see.

    But maybe I was wrong answering this in the first place as we all have our own opinions.

    I tell you something if I had family in those planes or buildings I would gladly pull the trigger and feel good about it.

    But I will stay out of this subject as I'm sure three quarters of you would disagree with me, but feel better as I have got it off my chest

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  2. Nexxo

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    That's why they haven't released the photos yet. Manually feathering in all those pixels is a bitch.
     
  3. Furymouse

    Furymouse Like connect 4 in dagger terms

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    Would a comment about the heal tool be ok for this situation?
     
  4. supermonkey

    supermonkey Deal with it

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    It's ok. I believe the Clone tool is how Saddam got so many lookalikes.
     
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  5. AcidJiles

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    Opps I wrote a qualifying statement about not being there etc and not quarterbacking from over here but deleted it. I know that in that situation decisions will have to be made but I still have questions. If they said he was unarmed but was reaching for a gun then I have no issue with that but they didn't hence my questions.

    They have expilictly stated he wasnt using a human shield btw.
     
  6. AcidJiles

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    He didn't have a weapon they said and no comment about him reaching for one.

    You are entitled to your opinion as is everyone else.

    Then I feel sad for you then, killing someone is not an easy thing to do and while you may feel good about it if in that situation it would still not be the right thing to do. If we had vigilanty justice then civilization would crumble hence legal systems and trials. Plus it has not been proven he commited the act in a court of law.Sure he most likely did it but if we put criminals were put away on that basis then more inoccent people would be in jail then there are now.

    I may disagree with you here but in most instances I find myself in, I believe I am right and often in the minority so don't let that put you down from your opinions if they are well thought out and clear in your mind.
     
  7. smart201

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    US President Barack Obama has decided not to release photographs showing Osama bin Laden's corpse - as gruesome details of the images emerged.

    The pictures of the al Qaeda leader reportedly show an open gun shot wound to his head, part of the skull missing and visible brain matter.

    One of bin Laden's eyes is reportedly open in the images, while the other is "completely gone".

    But the US President says in an interview with American TV network CBS - to be screened on Sunday - that he has concluded the pictures should not be made public.

    "That's not who we are," he says.


    "We don't trot out this stuff as trophies. The fact of the matter is that you won't see bin Laden walking on this earth again."

    The White House and the CIA had appeared to be at loggerheads over whether to release the graphic photos.

    Senior figures in US President Barack Obama's administration had been locked in talks about the publication of a post-mortem photos.

    But the President had concerns that producing the most identifiable picture of the terrorist chief could provoke a backlash.


    He feared doing so may prompt a similar response to that seen after images of Saddam Hussein's dead sons were published in 2003.

    There may also have been security concerns for two separate reasons. Firstly, Mr Obama is due to appear in public at New York's Ground Zero on Thursday.

    Secondly, there were fears releasing any inflammatory photo so close to Friday's day of prayer could trigger violent protests.

    White House spokesman Jay Carney had previously told reporters the set of pictures taken in an aircraft hangar in Afghanistan are "gruesome".

    Another set of images, taken as bin Laden was buried at sea from the USS Carl Vinson aircraft carrier, are easier to view, but not obviously the terrorist leader.


    It is unclear whether those pictures will be released.

    But while reservations persisted within the White House about the photographs' publication, the CIA clearly believed it would help prevent any conspiracy theories from taking root.

    The agency's chief, Leon Panetta, told NBC's Nightly News programme: "The government obviously has been talking about how best to do this, but I don't think there was any question that ultimately a photograph would be presented to the public.

    "We got bin Laden and I think we have to reveal to the rest of the world the fact that we were able to get him and kill him."
     
  8. Krazeh

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    Their justification for not releasing the photos sounds perfectly reasonable. There's no need or reason to make public photos showing Bin Laden's head destroyed after he took a bullet through it, it'll serve no purpose beyond inflaming the muslim world. As for the comments by the CIA's chief I think he's a little naive if he thinks releasing hte photos would stop conspiracy theories taking root.
     
  9. Stewb

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    I get the feeling the White House is doing its best to encourage conspiracy theories.

    1) Dump his body in the sea ASAP (There are explanations for this however).
    2) State that by DNA testing they are 99.9% sure it is Osama bin Laden, even though by the methodology they said they used (using DNA from his sister as an exemplar) they can not be sure it is not one of his >17 brothers.
    3) Not release the photos they say they have.

    It's probably because they don't want to say everything (naturally), but it is slightly strange.

    [ tinfoil hat]
    I know. The reason they want to encourage conspiracy theories, is because they want people to think it's only crazy people that believe he's not dead, but he's really alive! Quick, tell the media!
    [/tinfoil hat]
     
  10. Sloth

    Sloth #yolo #swag

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    As several threads on this forum prove, if people want to believe in a conspiracy theory then they will hold to it regardless of proof. Release a picture and it's photoshopped. Release a video and it's staged or edited. Get DNA evidence and it's falsified. The only people who will be convinced by any proof are the ones who were only on the fence.
     
  11. hellblazer.doom

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    I don't think so...

    As serveral threads on this forum prove? Prove what exactly?

    People believe these things because of the long run of lies that government throughout history have told to advance their own agenda's. it's paranoia in a way but I find it amusing that people think the 9/11 ABSOLUTELY STUPID conspiracy theory have proven to be false...

    Look up Operation northwoods on the NSA website, and tell me the government has never thought about attacking itself to advance it's own agenda.
     
  12. Furymouse

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    Conspiracy theorists need no encouragement, they will still role with their opinions no matter the evidence given to the contrary......
     
  13. hellblazer.doom

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    You need to read my post as well...
     
  14. Furymouse

    Furymouse Like connect 4 in dagger terms

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    Oh I did. However any evidence given will be deemed fake by me and immediately discounted and forgotten in a wave of yelling for freedom from " The Man "
     
  15. leveller

    leveller Yeti Sports 2 - 2011 Champion!

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    I'm an adult. I've seen photos and videos of plenty of weird and wonderful things. I've even seen videos/photos of the sort of things Obama thinks will melt my brain. We see dead bodies more often than ever on news items these days, but Obama thinks we're beyond seeing a dead Osama ... ?!

    :rolleyes:

    I've seen photos of 'allied' soldiers pissing on detained Arabs in Iraq, trust me, I find that a million times more offensive than a dead terrorist.
     
  16. Krazeh

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    You might find those photos more offensive than a picture of a dead terrorist but that still doesn't provide a justification for releasing the photos they have of Osama. The only reason to release them is to satisfy people's morbid curiosity and that isn't nearly a good enough reason when considered against the negatives of releasing them.
     
  17. leveller

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    It's more than morbid curiosity.
     
  18. Krazeh

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    Such as?
     
  19. Sloth

    Sloth #yolo #swag

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    If you want to believe in a conspiracy theory then you will, there's really no way to disprove any of them. The only solid proof in the world is what you see with your own two eyes and even that isn't the most dependable. Example: I don't even have to believe that Operation Northwood is real if I don't want to. Maybe it was all made up in 1997 and made to look like it was originally planned in 1962 as part of a plan to make people question the government in preparation for the similarly staged 9/11 attacks and all evidence of it is just a lie spread after its "release". I don't have to have proof that I'm right, what matters is that you can't definitively prove me wrong because I'll just say that everything you show me is false and part of the conspiracy.

    You could also say this works the other way in that people who don't want to believe won't.

    Exactly. :lol:
     
  20. M7ck

    M7ck Ⓜod Ⓜaster

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    QFT, I agree with Obama completely, there is no need to release photos.
     

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