Apple OSX 10.5 vs Vista: Which is better?

Nope, Steve Job in the keynote specifically said that this would be the new default background instead of the Blue abstract one. And the background was associated to my point that they copy some things from Vista desktop. Vista grassy background was shown about all latest conference on Vista by Microsoft.
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/2192/wsvistagrass1600x1200rp0.jpg

and apple:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/features/desktop.html

 

Oh, that feature. But, that isn't anything like stacks, you have to open up lots of folders, whereas OS X has it integrated.

OS X is the old OS, not Vista lol.

As stated by pumpman, they all have their merits. I just personally think that Windows offers a better experience overall as it has the better software, while OS X has the better experience as an OS. (More OS features)

 

Stacks sounds a bit like recent documents to me.
Or, normal people call them 'folders'.

 

There not folders... you can put folders IN them, to help organize your mac. TBH i dont know why this discussion has even been started cos it just turns into one big arguement/flame war everytime.

 

...and you can't put folders inside each other already?

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I too would really like something in between the mac pro and the mac mini. I really don't need a dual processor machine and even the absolute base spec price of the mac pro is a bit insane for what you're really getting.

I think the chances are slim though

 

Ahem. Isn't that what the iMac is?

Mac Mini < iMac < Mac Pro

 

Yes but it's very much a 'one size fits all' computer- fixed monitor size and pretty much impossible to upgrade.
I don't see Apple releasing a cheap Mac Pro style machine unless they can get it down to a compact enough size- they tend to follow a concept of 'size=power' and I can't imagine Apple would offer a mid-spec computer that requires a 'high-spec' desk area.

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Or maybe he means links to directories. Oh wait...

 

Could the thread be deleted/locked?
I hate to use a cliché, but this sort of discussion(even though it hasn't) usually generates more heat that light.


H.B.

 

I know I'm a shameless MS fanboy but even I don't resort to stupid name calling and baseless facts. I don't feel the need to close the discussion until it gets out of hand.

 

I'm guessing he means something that doesn't include a display in the price. And I totally agree.

I could really REALLY do with a Mac Pro, but it is alarmingly overpriced. Especially compared to the new Macbook Pro prices.

 

nah he is after the xmac

with OSx being based on freeBSD and with at least some of the source available. i would say this explains why it is more stable and more secure (many hands make light work and all that jazz)

though i personally prefer debian over both for work purposes

 

Funny you should say that, my GCSE tech coursework was an 'xmac'...it was essentially a computer designed (not made to be functional) in the shape of an X with the typical Mac double-shot white and clear perspex finish. I had to rush production so it didn't get made how I'd have liked but it's in my mental bin of 'mods that could one day happen if I had the money'.

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A PC in the shape of an X?

That sounds.. wrong

 

Likewise. I want a headless iMac, or for the Pros to come down in price. I don't think the Pros are really that expensive for what you're getting (though I'm sure Apple has good enough margins on them), but the top-end hardware means that they start off pretty damn expensive. I'd quite like to buy one and throw one of my old Raptors in there for a boot drive, but even if they're not that bad of a value for what you're getting, I couldn't justify a quad-core beast for what I do. OTOH, something with about the specs of a 20" iMac (2.16GHz/1G/250G) at around the $1100 mark ($1500 minus the cost of the 20" display, give or take) I would probably do.

At least you can knock the Pros down to about $2200 if you go with the low-end procs, but it's stupid to go with a chip 25% slower to knock 10% off the price.

 

i thought i had to post this video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcl8ofCr4ys
so aparently mac's are **** because you know the keys are smaller?

 

your laughing but when you are in a class with just 2 people that has a MAC... you HEAR each key being pressed. I got a lot of class, and have in each of them different people. You easily have a class with 2-4 Macs. It's SO DAMN annoying. Then with a good laptop PC, you just hear nothing.
Now I'm not saying PC are perfect, they are many laptop that surfer the same problem like the IBM's or lower-end laptops from Dell or HP.

 

Even though it is really noisy, it is really good to type on. And, if anyone breaks into your home and hacks your Mac, at least you hear it.

 

NOTE: This is not my attention to bash anything, it's just my experience. Issues mentioned could be issues with the Macs in Apple approved retailer store. This was just a quick overview. I do know that it's always best to have your own machine and play with it for AT least a month. I still think Apple has potential, but for me Mac OS X is not ready. Maybe the XI?! For all issues, I take in consideration that their are options to modify or disable a behavior. That is why I still recommend it for some, but not for myself. I just though of sharing my experience. It would be nice to know more info on my overview I had. Please do not start and saying "Well under XP/Vista you can't do this/have this problem" I am aware of Windows and Linux issues. It is NOT my attention in all means to bash anything. My English is not great, so I have a bit of difficulty expressing myself, and I might use words that might be too strong or too light.

Here is my experience:

So I got a local store, and decided to play with a Mac for about 1h and half.. yes I had that much time to spear. I mean I wanted to fair and wanted to check the latest OS.
Well... ok the mouse is extreamly bad. If you try to "center" click with the ball well, you press every button on the mouse. The side button, I could not figure out if it is a button or not, as every button get pressed when you do anything, even move the mouse. And it's really not comfortable. The ball is way to small to use too. So I got to the laptop after, and tried that mouse... well it's WAY better, but you can't tap to open files, you need to press on the button. And you need to scroll like 3-4 times to reach the other side of the screen. I haven't found the settings to change the mouse sensitivity. Not even the Apple sells man knew. So I was like, ok, it's just a mouse it's replaceable, even thought for the price you pay it should come with a very good mouse. So I speed the rest of the time with the mighty mouse in the thought that I'll get used to it (I have not).

Now an overview of the OS:
Alright it's nice... but wow its slow to do stuff.... In the sense that you have to wait for the animation to finish to be able to do something else. When I minimize, I want it to minimize, I don't want to see a movie. So ok, it should have options to disable the animation right? No mater, it's just a small thing, so I didn't look. Ok now let's see... Quicktime! ok after waiting a nice time to open (slower then on my PC) it opens, and I see a white window content...waited some more, and POOF system crashed. So I asked the Apple "approved" sales man and he said it's a problem with the HDD as too many user played with it.... WHAT?! wait wait... ok never mind I don't want to know, maybe he knew it was broken or something happened or it just naturally crashed yet he just finds a lame excuse to protect "Apple MacOS never crashes" so I wanted to use the Mac, and move on, so I said "Ok". I learned that rebooting a Mac did not change (unplug the power from the back while the comp is running, HE did it in front of ME).

Anyway, he invites me to an other mac. To continue my experience, I tried to maximize a window... you can't. You double click it on the caption bar, it minimizes, you click on the "+" you see a "light" version of the content if you know what I mean. How about the "--" flat button on the right side of the window... well that sure doesn't maximize, or minimize or see the window flat down to the caption bar... nope, it simply switch to the "light" version of the content window. In addition I realized that, unlike Linux or Windows, you can't be near an area with the mouse and it will perform the action. Here is an example, let's say you want to scale the window. You need to have the mouse dead on the the scaling icon right in center and now you can scale. Same applies for the icons everywhere, you can't click near the icon image, your mouse must be ON the icon itself. This is a bit annoying, as you got check exactly where your mouse is.

I tried iTunes and it seams to run about 10 times faster and smoother then under Windows. I asked the Apple sales man how application like Dreamweaver or Flash or Photoshop runs on a Mac, so he guide me to a MacBook Pro demo laptop to see Flash CS3 and Photoshop. Oh god it takes time to load. I can boot Windows XP on my 800Mhz PIII with 256MB of RAM faster then this! Maybe Adobe did a bad job porting the software on the Mac. Back to Flash CS3, I played around for a while, and I haven't figured how to maximize the application also. Do you know? Anyway.

On the PC when I play a movie or get out I have a reflex of trowing the mouse away form the screen and my desk. I think it's reflex to move away the mouse from the movie and not wait until it disappears. It's usually top right corner as I am right-handed. This is the angle of the trowing action: "/". So when I did this on the Mac... oh ho! what is this all windows/applications appears on the screen and turn blue'ish with their name on it (similar behavior on the other corner) which is annoying if you want to access the Apple menu. I don't get why the windows turn blue and you see the name, I KNOW the name of the window, I can see on the caption bar... anyway.

On my PC I have 71 applications installed (not counting games, codec and such)
They all nicely fit in the Start menu... but wait on the Mac you don't have a start menu... everything appear on the bar at the bottom.... I don't think 71 applications fits inside. So I guess I'll have to browse the directories to access them, which is clearly annoying. I started Safari (it was not the new version) and well... I was not impressed at all, feels like something in between IE 5 and 6

For fun I wanted to download a picture and open Photoshop... well it was like a freaking strategy game. Build you army folks, we are going to download and open with Photoshop a picture! Scroll up, move center, scroll up again as you are half way in the screen, access the top menu, move left... wait not too much on the left we know what will happened if you hit the top corner), it's got to be just right, click and go down click... [All this because I see no right click]... let's move, Save, scroll down onto the desktop, click on the file, DAM I missed, DAM I missed again, ok I got it, lets drag it into photoshop to open it, oh no the dock menu appears... Well you get the point. Mac should have a second mouse button, not for menu, to shoot lasers from your cursor and get rid of everything that is in your way. I think it will go wheel with the 3D animated time machine. (just kidding here)

As on previous version, you still can identify a window from another. The 3 buttons on the window are not flashy enough to know without actually paying attention to know if it's focused or not, and the text on the caption bar is between dark gray to light gray. And the shadow is not underlined enough.

Please note that I did try a mac for about 2 weeks period some time ago. My good friend lend me his to see if I would be interested in buying it. The answer was no, and the answer is still no. In my hour and a half test drive of the Mac I saw my productivity drop by A LOT. I also stand on my position that a Mac is design for "first computer users", like my parents. But for me, I feel dumb, like if I don't understand that the minimize button actually minimize my window (just one example).

P.S: Did anyone tried clicking on the caption bar of a window like 10 times really fast in arrow... the window will stand still for about 10sec, then start minimizing and restore back and forth for 5 times. I can't beleive they didn't thought about it. Vista sure took time to get released, but at least its well done, interface and core wise. Both OS's has their bugs and issues, but at least Windows doesn't drop your productivity. With a fast computer, even thus it crashes a reboot is done fast so your still in the game.

For people that are interested in switch OS's, I strongly suggest to try Linux first. Then if you REALLY can't handle Windows or Linux, try a Mac.