Networks other ISDN line providers,instead of bt?

Hi Peeps,

Im currently out of reach of ADSL, and im getting sick and tired of 56K that connects at 28.8!!

I would like to get a 64k isdn line installed, but i do not want to go through BT.

Are they any other companies out there that do the line install?

ive searched google but to no avail.

Any Help will be Greatly Appricetated

Cheers,

Chris

 

ntl and telewest offer 128k cable at £14.99 per month unmetered

I think Freeserve and maybe Pipex offer ISDN if you're not in a cabled area, otherwise I'd recommend cable

 

i asked about isdn... anyone know of any isdn line providers?

 

Just posted probable ones above.. I don't think any others offer ISDN...

 

Freeserve?

but I bet they use BT innit

 

yeah thats the prob i want a diff company from BT to install the line cus bt charge a fortune!

 

Moving to Net and Comms.

 

Well, you may get lucky and be able to get an ISDN 2e line from a local cable company but then if you're within their bounds you could just get one of their cable modems and be done with it. I have known people who have had ISDN 2e from Telewest but generally speaking they will only supply to businesses if they will at all.

All the other alternative carries [Energis, C&W etc etc] will provide such connections to businesses but all they actually do is have a BT line installed and they then liaise with BT instead of you doing this. Speaking as someone who's had to support such lines this just inserts an extra layer of management to argue with when things go wrong.

The bottom line is if you want ISDN2e in this country then unless you are in Hull or can get a cable company to supply it then you may as well go with BT - it'll be their local loop you end up using regardless of who you phone when there is a fault.

Now if you want ISDN30 thats a whole different ball game [and and a whole bundle of money more too]

J

 

cheers for the reply jake!,


look like i will give bt a ring.... *shudder*

 

bah! s0d 64kISDN...get cable...

a friend of mine has BT 64k ISDN, and to be honest, it wasn't that much better than standard 56k dailup (we got between 4kb/s and 7kb/s d/l speed from Kazaa - 7kb/s was the max it would do)...

spend the extra money and get 128k cable...you'll notice a difference...

...just my 2p...

 

I think the point is that he cannot get cable. if He's out of ADSL range then he's out of a major urban area and most likely not within reach of a cable franchise. which is furthur borne out by his inability to get a decent connection speed, probably due to DACS or poor line conditioning.

Single channel ISDN doesn't offer much benefit over 56K in terms of speed but it is synchronous offering 64K in both directions simultaeneously rather than the asychronous modem connection and ISDN also offers much lower latency than a modem which is important to some people.

J

 

exaclty, im inbetween to local exchanges, in the middle of no where, so im out of reach of adsl, and my area isnt cabled, my 56k connects at 28.8k atm, and its slow, thats why im sure 64isdn, will add a benefit to me, thanks for the replys, jake got any more great advice?

 

is the 28k connection thing a hardware or ISP issue?
up until a few months ago, the max speed my modem could connect at was 33.3k - we have bad lines here, live about 2 miles down a country lane - anywho, after getting in touch with BT and getting them to increase the gain (volume) on the line, i can now connect at 44k...

not sure if this would help you, you could give it a try (if you havn't already) - thought about changing dailup ISP (what are you using at the moment?) - if you do a quick search, there are plenty of lists on the net with the top 10 UK dailup ISP's (they also list prices etc, so you can compare each)...

...just trying to save you a bit of money by sticking with 56k...unless you really need ISDN...

*rad

 

Chaces are if it's 28.8 all the time then there is a DACS unit in place.

BT use them when they do not have the line capacity from the exchange to the pole to carry enough lines and DACS allows them to split one line into two. It does this by applying effective voice compression on the line between the exchange and the pole and then feeds two analogue lines from the box thus increasing the poles capacity buy 100% if all lines are DACS'd. The upshot of this compression tho is that modem data is effectively limited to half what you'd normally get. The older DACS1 unit was even worse, DACS2 which is now in common use gives us the 28.8 connections and there is a DACS3 system based on the same standards that home highway uses that can give a channel capable of full 56K connections but this deployment is rare. It's possible you could get bt to upgrade to a DACS3 unit if it is indeed the case but they'll probably just push HH/ISDN2e instead [which actually means they have to undacs the line anyhow but you're paying them money to do it ]

There is always satellite broadband of course - largely depends if you just want high speed downloads [although bt do now offer a bidirectional service but it's hideously expensive]. if you want a low latency link thats good for gaming then satellite isn't for you however.

HTH

J

 

ive tired 5 isps, all connect at 28.8, 1 of my isps freeola that i use to upload to my webspace connects at 26.4, i live on a top of a hill right at the back of a estate, ive fieled behind our house and the locla exchange is around 7 miles away.


Radiator, what number did u ring bt for that? i tried rining once before but the operator didnt understand what i was talking about.

ATM im on tiscali its been the best isp ive used so far, i get steady connection for games etc.

so what shall i do? shall i ring bt and ask for increased gain to see if it helps? or wha?

thasnks so much for the helpo!

 

hmm, says alot for BT phone support (could be worse, though *cough* NTL *cough*!)

can't remember which number i phoned, think it was just general technical support (for the line, not the ISP)...

judging by what Jake said above, I don't think it would help - but you could always give it a go...

*rad

 

Customer services are on 151 if you want them to play with the line gain, it can help in some circumstances so is worth a shot but my money is still on a DACS box.

Incidentally, it's a sobering thought but BT still only gaurantee that a phone line will be good enough for 9600bps FAX transmission even with all their advertising about internet use. So as long as you're getting that they're not obliged to do anything - great huh!

J

 

If you are 7 miles away from the exchange ISDN will not work either. You still have to be within a certain distance for that.

 

It's not a distance, it's a specific line loss - around 47dB iirc. I've worked on isdn installations in the middle of nowhere on 10kms plus of copper that have worked because of a low line loss. Also the requirement for HH is more rigorous than for ISDN2e because HH needs to supply ringing current for an analogue line in the event of a power failure.

BT will happily supply ISDN2e as an out of area line but they will charge you for the privelege. Just ask Kna who once quote a guy multiple tens of thousands of pounds to install an ISDN line for some guy in scotland who was outside of a serving exchange.

J

 

hey fair adsl offer 512k adsl for 18.99 pm, but u need 2 sign up 4 at least 6mths to use ur own router or modem, but u can by a modem from them