Just turned on the news to hear of another stabusing by a Palestinian of a Jewish in Jerusalem, the Palestinian was shot dead and rightly so. But then the Israelis popped over to occupied Jerusalem and blew up his house making his family, including kids homeless. How are allowed to get away with this? In fact I was surprised it was mentioned at all given rathe bias shown by the BBC towards the Israelis who normally hardly mention the outrageous actions by the Israeli security forces against the Palestinians.
I'll bite. The English shouldn't have given away land to a bunch of racist supremacist genocidal European Khazars in the first place. Too much? Wrong narrative? Anti-semitic? Oh I'm sorry, let me correct it for you then.... They are Jews and gods chosen race thus they can do no wrong they are within their right. Look, what you plebs need to understand is that the Jews are fighting for their very survival against an overwhelming force of aggressive people known as the Palestinians. The Palestinians are terrorists...the Jews are the victims. More accurate? Well, at least I didn't invalidate what most of you think is true. Disclaimer. When I say the English I am not referring to the English nation (nation=people) but to its leaders.
Simples. Both sides are locked into a transactional relationship. Israel uses any provocation as an excuse to eradicate the Palestinians, and the Palestinians keep provoking Israel into doing so to turn world opinion against them. If Israel is prepared to sacrifice its soul, Palestine is prepared to sacrifice its blood. When you have two tribes which feel pushed in a corner, things tend to get messy.
The Palestinians aren't turning world opinion against them western media are, this is why most westerners have such a skewed one-sided view on this conflict.
Whilst the Israelis have the open support of the American and where the Americans go we go then they will be able to do pretty much what they want and of course do as was seen in the slaughter of women and children in the last justifiable retaliation top a few puny rockets that the Palestinians fired into Israel. Not that i support this sort of action by the Palestinians in any way. It is time that the Israelis stopped playing the victim card.
It all reminds me of history. The Palestinians are no more terrorists than the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto. Back then it was the National Socialists who wanted lebensraum on the expense of another people, today it's the Jews on the expense of the Palestinians. Kind of ironic really. This is a moral issue more than anything.
They are two peoples locked in a blood feud - barbaric, wanton, blood-letting. If you're going to kill people, it needs to be justified. It needs to be because of oil - any other reason is just uncivilised.
Yup, this is totally a private squabble between neighbours kept amongst themselves. If it just wasn't for these pesky, intrusive journalists who keep butting in! Honestly, no respect for boundaries! Not irony, psychology (although to be fair, human psychology can get pretty ironic... ). A flip of reciprocal roles; the abused becoming the abuser in turn. Not an uncommon occurrence.
It's both, I'm aware of the psychology but left that for you to comment on, as always Nexxo. It was good that you pointed out that the abused easily can become the abuser, it's easy to forget. Still thou, with all this in fresh memory constantly being reminded of it one would think they collectively would be a little bit more...
Those pictures can't be right ... ? That, is madness. When I use Google maps to find Palestine it doesn't actually show me land with the word Palestine in it ... like Palestine just got deleted ...
There's a big pro Palestinian movement in Ireland. I wonder why that is.... What I don't get is who thought it was a good idea to give away Palestine to anyone. Were the Palestinain people consulted at all? What gave any non Palestinian the authority to do that?
Why, Western colonial empires did. As far as they were concerned, they were the authorities. Not much has changed since...
That's because those pictures are not right, or at least they show a very biased view. And the reason Palestine isn't shown on Google maps is because it's only partially recognised as a state, not saying that's right or wrong, just saying that's how it is. Yes it's madness, but hey we (the world) thought, and maybe still do, that we could draw lines on a map and that people would be happy with that, that they would all get along like good little people. I could be oversimplifying it but wasn't it the UN? I thought it was part of the defunct Ottoman empire, we (the UK) tried to administer the region, failed and asked the UN to step in and sort the problem out.
Well, kind of. Palestine was its own country until the League of Nations carved up the region into a bunch of mandated states after WWI. After WWII the Jewish post-WWII refugees suddenly were an embarrassing problem that no country wanted to take on, especially not the US and UK where many of the refugees tried to flee. They had to be found their own place to go. So UNSCOP was created: a UN special committee made up of 11 members: Australia, Canada, Czechoslovakia, Guatemala, India, Iran, The Netherlands, Peru, Sweden, Uruguay, Yugoslavia; none of them permanent members of the Council, and most of them having little knowledge of the Middle East, let alone of Palestine. At some point the Arab Higher Committee and Jewish Agency were invited but they were largely ignored. In 1947 UNSCOP visited not only Palestine but also Germany and Austria and inevitably some of the concentration camps, and around the same time the US refused to take on 400000 Jewish refugees and the UK turned back a ship of Jewish refugees trying to get into British Mandatory Palestine. As UNSCOP sat down in Geneva to write their final report, those issues could not have been far from their mind. The Jews had to be found their own safe haven. Palestine was going to be it, partly because the Jews kind of felt that was their home country, and partly because Palestine was essentially not in a military position to say 'no' to refugees like e.g. the US or UK could. It was the sacrificial lamb for Western guilt over the Holocaust. In the UN vote mostly Western and South American nations voted in favour of the carve up; Middle Eastern countries mostly voted against. The rest, as they say, is history.
Can you or anyone else tell me what is was before the brief history post WWI that you laid out, there's so much info out there that i got kinda got overwhelmed trying to form an opinion on the whole mess. I know (think) it used to belong to the Ottomans, maybe i should go do some reading about them.
Yea after having done a lot more reading it seems the Ottomans ruled over the area and played one group off the other keeping things under control fairly well, then even though they tried to remain neutral leading up to WWI they couldn't avoid getting mixed up in it, eventually landing on the German side of things. After WWI we carved up the whole area and started drawing lines on a map, then what Nexxo described unfolded. EDIT: Found this article that seems to give a good explanation of how Palestine was divided by UNSCOP.
