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  1. KayinBlack

    KayinBlack Unrepentant Savage

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    How else could one truly grok a brother without eating him?
     
  2. tin can

    tin can What's a Dremel?

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    But that's not the situation we're in, and we're not dogs...

    To be clear, though, I agree that eating a dog is not less ethical that eating other animals.
     
  3. C-Sniper

    C-Sniper Stop Trolling this space Ądmins!

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    I honestly have no moral implications of eating a dog, cat, hamster, snake, etc. Animals are animals, A dog is no different than a cow. While you might get a better return on one compared to the other, to me both are meat. If you know how to clean a deer or cow then you also know how to clean almost every other animal.
     
  4. boiled_elephant

    boiled_elephant Merom Celeron 4 lyfe

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    I hate doing it though, to be honest, and I'd doubly hate to do it to my own dog. Can you imagine? Just...ugh. I don't care how poor you are, eating your dog when you could sell it for the price of a week's shopping is just strange.

    Come to think of it, how much meat is there on a dog? I'm guessing not much. The more I think about this, the less justified the story in question seems.
     
  5. Furymouse

    Furymouse Like connect 4 in dagger terms

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    In my experience:

    Dog: Ate only because they told me it was goat. Tough meat thats really not that good.
    Cobra: Best meat I have ever eaten.
    Cat: Jury's still out. It had to much sauce on it to come to a decision

    I see no reason to think its bad to eat a dog other than the fact that there is so little meat on all but the largest of dogs. Personally though I could never do that to my cat. If it's a matter of life and death maybe. But I figure by that time he will already be out on his own surviving for himself and I will be having the neighbors over for dinner :thumb:
     
  6. Da_Rude_Baboon

    Da_Rude_Baboon What the?

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    There is nothing unethical about eating animals so long as they are looked after properly and killed as quickly and humanely as possible. The idea that as human beings we should stop eating meat is simply stupid and ill thought out. What would happen to all the domesticated animals that we currently use as a food source in the west if we stopped eating them? They would all be destroyed as there would be no purpose in looking after them. Plus the majority of breeds used as food have been domesticated for so long that they are now dependent on humans for their survival and if left to 'return to the wild' they would suffer and die.

    We are all looking at this dog as a family pet. I know a few people with working dogs and they are not pets, they are seen as tools and although well looked after there is not the same emotional attachment as there is to the family pet.
     
  7. DarkLord7854

    DarkLord7854 What's a Dremel?

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    I don't really get why it would matter whether it's a cat, dog, cow, horse, sheep, rabbit, etc. We (humans) eat animals everyday and nobody makes a huge deal out of it (except PETA and some vegetarians). We're omnivores, nothing wrong with eating meat. /shrug

    What people do with their animals is their choice as long as they treat those animals fairly humanely.
     
  8. Bauul

    Bauul Sir Bongaminge

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    The hierarchy of animals in terms of "can we eat them?" is a funny one, and totally made up. Why should we eat a pig but not a dog, when pigs are far more intelligent? I think we all have a built in anti-cannibalism trait, and animals that we can anthropomorphise (even unintentionally) get lumped in with the trait. That's why we'd fine it nigh-on impossible to eat Fido, but wouldn't bat an eyelid at eating a sheep from a different country.

    At also changes hugely per country. In India for instance, IIRC Cows are seen as sacred and aren't touched, where as dogs are plentiful and are eaten regularly. It all depends on what we relate to in our own lives. My girlfriend and I owne two (frankly adorable) house rabbits, and as such would struggle to eat rabbit meat, as it would be just too close to home for comfort.
     
  9. tin can

    tin can What's a Dremel?

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    I disagree with this, obviously.

    I would thank you not to write about my (and others') sincere and strongly-held views in this disrespectful way, even if that is your opinion.

    What would happen is not the same as what (one believes) should happen, or what should have happened. In any case, it is inconceivable to think of everybody suddenly stopping eating meat all at once. For a start, we could stop breeding and killing them in massive numbers.

    Yes, and it is my belief that these animals have been done a disservice by us. (I would say 'captivated' rather than 'domesticated', however.) Exactly what should be done with the animals that now exist is a difficult question, but in any case it is unrealistic to imagine a situation in which an answer in terms of the huge scale that exists today is needed.

    I realise that my views on this subject will differ to most, if not all, other posters on this board, and that disagreement about issues that are important to one or more of the people concerned can be difficult. However, discussion and sharing of world-views are healthy and informative, even when (as is most common) they do not change others' opinions. :)
     
  10. Shuriken

    Shuriken same christmas AV for a whole year

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    My reasoning is I'll eat anything which I could kill, now I've only actually killed birds, rabbits and deer but I was cool with that. I know I could kill a pig/cow/sheep/whatever because in my eyes animals and pets are two completely different things. While I can easily (and humanely, I might add) end a wild rabbit, I couldn't do it to anyone's pet.

    As for dogs: If it wasn't anyone's pet (ie: raised for food) I'd still be sceptical about eating one simply because they're carnivores, and carnivores' flesh tends to contain more poisons.

    I should probably point out that I have only ever killed for food, I don't believe in hunting for sport/fun.
     
  11. RTT

    RTT #parp

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    :eeek: :eeek:
     
  12. tin can

    tin can What's a Dremel?

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  13. Da_Rude_Baboon

    Da_Rude_Baboon What the?

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    Apologies, it was worded too harshly. :)
     
  14. liratheal

    liratheal Sharing is Caring

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    Sorry, but vegetarians are generally just wrong if they're not doing it courtesy of some medical condition. I've not yet heard of a common medical condition that causes people to have to be vegetarian, though..

    It used to be that if you didn't want to eat meat, then you just starved.

    We've got entirely too much choice - I bet you if you asked a starving ethiopian whether they're a vegetarian, they'd ask what the hell you were on about, and if you had any food.

    Anyone that wants to try and argue that they don't like surviving on the death of innocent animals, well. What about that lettuce you're scoffing. That was alive when you ate that. Or do plants not get to be part of the world of "ethical eating"?

    Admittedly, a lot of things go to waste in our current food production run, and some places don't treat animals as nicely as they could, but hell. Where in Europe are we going to find the time and the money to treat our cows like they treat the cows behind kobe beef?

    We want cheap, we get cheap.

    I'm not fussed if you're insulted by that, because frankly, it is entirely the truth. First world countries have so much choice we can choose to be fussy about what we eat. Third world countries would probably eat damn near anything, and most certainly would not complain about "lactose intolerance" or "it's not vegetarian".

    On topic, though. I get the feeling they just wanted to become famous. Like Ricky Gervais says "Want to get famous, do something terrible". While not genuinely terrible, it's most certainly a shock to us first world inhabitants.

    Now, where did I leave my plate of assorted meats..
     
  15. C0nKer

    C0nKer What's a Dremel?

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    This reminds me of The Restaurant At The End Of The Universe, where they have animals mentally willing(eager in fact) to be eaten. "You should try my liver. It's tender by now. I have been force feeding myself for months."
     
  16. [PUNK] crompers

    [PUNK] crompers Dremedial

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    this remind anyone of a peep show episode? "they ate mummy!"

    in all seriousness tho yeah, i'd eat a dog. seafood however is another matter (bleurgh).

    plenty of societies built on famine culture eat animals that we in the west dont, we eat pork and many people dont, beef too. try explaining black pudding to a korean, i'll bet they'll pull a face.

    at the end of the day animals in this country have also been bred for eating, had their gene pools screwed right over. in fact i'll tell you what is more shocking than this story: crufts, let me explain.

    my ex's mum used to breed king charles spaniels, cute yeah? yeah. thing is i worked out from listening to their conversations that spaniels with certain "mutations" are more desirable, worth more and score more at shows. a lot of these mutations have a very detrimental effect on the animal. in fact a spaniel with the right mutations in the face would almost certainly have respiratory problems by the time it is 7.

    now correct me if im wrong but there is something seriously ****ed up about breeding an animal SO that it will have problems, be sometimes in excrutiating pain 24 hours a day and then have its life ended early by a needle having won its owner a couple of rosettes? and these people are animal lovers?!

    personally i'd rather be thrown on a BBQ
     
  17. Bauul

    Bauul Sir Bongaminge

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    You're totally right actually, and King Charles are just one of the many breeds of dogs who suffer from this. Essentially it's down to too much inbreeding and desiribility. All pedigree dogs are prone to problems. In fact, it's arguably cruel to buy anything other than a mongrel.

    On the bright side though, Crufts are contemplating putting in restrictions on the dogs that are entered. They can't be too closely related, and they must pass a strict medical before they can enter. I don't know if it'll happen or not, but I think it should do. The problems with pedigree dogs is a very unappricated issue.
     
  18. [PUNK] crompers

    [PUNK] crompers Dremedial

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    I know that these people love their dogs and would never hurt them physically etc etc. The fact is that i consider that buying a pedigree is in itself an act of cruelty.

    You have basically bought an animal that has had its gene pool ****ed up for human amusement. Nice.
     
  19. liratheal

    liratheal Sharing is Caring

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    We have one pedigree lab, and his back legs are ****ed beyond belief. spent most of his puppy years in casts and surgery.

    Fortunately, the other two are not classed as "pedigree" as such, despite being just as idiotic.

    Later in my life I want a doberman, but I will be checking what'sthe best place to get one without getting one thats parents are brother and sister or something >.>
     
  20. [PUNK] crompers

    [PUNK] crompers Dremedial

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    yeah we used to have a golden retriever and we started having back leg problems at 2 years old. she died a couple of months ago at 8, having spent most of her life in extreme discomfort.

    nope its a scruffy mutt for me next time :)

    EDIT: parents dog, not my choice
     

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