Graphics Pascal and Polaris Discussion Thread

See what the custom cards to in truth. Stock cards have always struggled for power. The fact it's just 1 8 pin suggested it might struggle for that already.

Evga will likely add another 6pin and change the bios for higher voltages allowing the clocks they want.

They confirmed a all in one at 2.5ghz they would not of done that unless they plan to release it. They were the first company to confirm a custom card.

Pascal was never going to blow people away due to the lead they have in launching the product.

The Titan and Ti versions will be what will offer crazy performance.

AMD are not even launching in the same year if what they have said is true helps Nvidia a lot.

 

Pinch of salt on that. Not saying it won't happen, just that there were rumours of 2ghz 970s at launch and nothing came of that.

So the stock card's a bad clocker? that's nothing abnormal. That's why we have Lightnings, 8 Packs, Matrix and so on. However, bad clocker *and* more expensive? terrible show from Nvidia. They really are pulling an Apple.

TBH? Pascal is something they probably tried just to see how the finfet process went. It could well be something you cobble up in your shed. It's also obvious due to the yields that Nvidia have already absolutely rinsed the card and overclocking performance yields are atrocious.

This card is definitely a rinse. No matter which way you look at it. From price to performance and overclocking and so on it's clearly been done with money in mind.

*IF* and it's a big if Vega is a proper card it will likely spank the 1080 in DX12. The Fury comes pretty close as it is.

 

By which time a full unlocked Titan or Ti will beat that. We as a consumer needed AMD to compete with this product launch as was the rumours in January.

Instead we get a low and mid range launch to price compete the Nvidia 970.

Intel and Nvidia now hold dominating leads that AMD will likely not be able to claw back.

Hence we get stupid pricing levels from both Intel and Nvidia. Nothing to stop them as PC parts will never be essential products.

As we get closer to 8nm the costs will rise as the materials required get more exotic

 

Polaris is the low/mid range. Vega is supposed to be a big hitter from what I can discern.

A new Titan may well be better but it won't be priced for any one other than the rich. Which is what AMD are good at and why they're getting back market share.

I wish they could sort out this multi adapter nonsense. I think that's going to have to be their next mission tbh. I think if you started adding more Polaris cards and the scaling was bob on they would be superb.

 

The problem for AMD is that it's all ifs, buts and maybes. I'm no longer convinced that AMD can deliver the goods, which is a crying shame as we really do need genuine competition (both in terms of GPUs and CPUs).

 

Your complaint is that because the stock card can hit 2GHz plus on air without further modification but to hit 2.2GHz required additional cooling it is a bad overclocking card? HardOCP hit 2GHz+ without any voltage offset.
Would you rather Nvidia artificially lower stock clocks to provide further overclocking headroom?

Oh, you would.

Sorry, but complaining that the card is too good out of the box for end users to improve it is just barmy. Particularly when it seems reviewers are having no problems actually overclocking cards in practice.

 

It does seem a bit perverse to criticise nVidia for releasing these cards with the out-of-the-box performance being close to the maximum achievable. That would be fair enough if they weren't particularly impressive out-of-the-box, but given that "stock" performance appears to be pretty impressive then it's a bit of a silly criticism imo.

As said above, if the cards were 10% slower at "stock" but had that 10% as overclocking headroom then people would complain that they were too slow at stock speeds.

However, I'm going to wait and see what non-FE cards are like and what the third party manufacturers can come up with. We've seen third parties squeeze a hell of a lot of extra performance out of current and previous generation cards, so let's see what happens with the 10-series. Would not be surprised if we see some serious overclocking headroom once non-reference designs start to appear.

 

Having sold my 2 TX; I am thinking a single 1080 from someone like Zotac or EVGA. (One 1080 will still be less than one of my sold titans).

Put it under H2O and give it a healthy overclock. The 4K benchies show it should be okay, a few settings tweaks on the most demanding titles perhaps with G-sync enabled.

Hold out until the Ti or something good from AMD. Apart from anything it will be nice not to have to deal with SLI for the first time in 18 months.

 

£610 on OCUK is the rumored price.

 

Founders edition? As I am putting a block on it I'd rather get a plastic fantastic from one of the partner AIBs.

 

Cheapest card.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/gain...dr5x-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-203-gw.html

The prices go north from there, up to £650 for the Asus. As for your plastic fantastic? dude, you will have a wait. Nvidia have deliberately done this to make sure that all quick sales go to them.

It's way out of order IMO.

Funny how people all make up excuses just 'cause it's Nvidia. When AMD did it with Fury X people were up in arms.

Whatever. I felt the same way when they released the 980 and I feel exactly the same about the 1080. You are free to do what you like, so I hope you have at least £620 ready 'cause Jen is waiting for you !

That sort of money for a small mid range piece of silicon is an absolute joke.

In all honesty AMD are absolutely fine, as the statistics show. Sure, they're not making the fleece money sales Nvidia are but they are doing well thanks to Nvidia's arrogance of the mid range (the 960 and below are only for the dedicated fan who accepts they are far slower than similarly priced AMD cards) and they are actually going to make more cards for the mid range to replace their older and slower cards.

These are the cards that actual people actually buy. Not idiots like me who never leave the house and never drink or take drugs etc. These are the cards that people actually buy, and not sit on forums arguing over because they are too busy gaming lol.

 

Nvidia still has 85% market share last I checked, Intels market share in CPUs was not even that high at last check.

Gpu sales of Nvidia 960 sold well because at the time it launched it was cheaper quieter faster than its none existent rivals. Granted today that is not the case but it did not launch today.

970 was a very similar situation.

First to market dominates early sales Intels lead on the CPU side is based on this. AMDs competitor arived later and slower to market.

The ultra high end of the 980 and above or the fury nano and above are a tiny % of the actual sales of gpus.

AMD will only survive in current form if Zen succeeds.

 

You're joking right? the 960 scored about 58% in CPC because the 280 and 280x were both around the same price, faster and had more VRAM.

The 960 was an awful card. Barely any quicker than the 760 and 670 before it, built like a dog's mess and noisy as all hell (I got one in my Alienware and sold it the same day the PC arrived).

Anything less than that it's all AMD. The 970 was a fantastic card with a good price, but let's face it what with this Founder's Edition BS it's going to be about £450 dude (1070). £30 cheaper than I paid for a Titan X.

AMD are just plodding along with their real Async DX12 cards and sooner or later I feel that in DX12 they are going to catch Nvidia. Hare and the tortoise and all that.

I won't use another AMD GPU until they increase the size of the VRAM on their top tier cards. HBM was a tragic mistake. Here, have the fastest memory in the world for GPUs but only have 4gb.

WTF?

If they sort out the 490 and if it has enough vram and they get multi adapter working and sorted I will happily return.

 

It is exploitative, and up to us not to bite on the hook. I will be holding off until the 1070 is out or more. This card replaces the 980, what was the first wave of prices on that?

 

I'll be waiting for a 1080Ti, OC version.

I remember when 980 went out, then Ti was about 15-20% faster, then Ti OC was again 15% faster than generic Ti. So I'm guessing 1080Ti OC version should be at least 30% faster than 1080.

I guess next 1080 versions (non-founders) will go for around £520. So hoping 1080Ti will be around £555-560?
What was the price for 980Ti when was out? £545?

 

About £460. EVGA hybrid was £520 and came kitted out with a hydra kit and back plate. So I'm thinking that same edition will cost around £700.

These are stock cards with poor power delivery. That's already been shown, as getting the card to 2.3ghz meant underclocking the memory to nothing so that the core could maintain stability.

So basically it's 2ghz on the stock cooler @ 100%. Or 2.3ghz on the hybrid cooler with the ram underclocked.

Know what that means? they'll be useless, even under proper water.

The price is absolutely insane. £1240 for SLI. Then in a few months time the 1080ti will come along and they will be worthless.

I actually do feel genuine empathy for the guy who sold me his Titan X for £480 (though admittedly it came to £500 because I insisted on RMSD). I reckon the 1070 is going to cost £420 or more and by the time I decked it out with a hybrid cooler it would have cost me exactly the same as the Titan X. Though I got more VRAM and better power phases.

I've also been hearing that this time around Nvidia are going to make the gap between the 1070 and 1080 bigger so that the 1080 doesn't become a white elephant like the 980 was (because only the die hards bought 980s before the VRAM shock on the 970).

Maybe with the core cut back a little the 1070 may be able to hold better clocks, but the cards with the extra connector and phases are going to be expensive. We could be looking at around £700 for a Classified for example.

And in six months time they will be absolutely worthless.

 

That's the nature of technology at the bleeding edge if you must have the best enjoy your upgrade bill.

For the rest of us a 1070 or 1080 will last 2-3 years minimum at 1080 or 1440p the 2 most common resolutions. With all settings maxed my 2 680s are only just showing there age. In games where SLI works.

This not good at 4K is a niche problem for a even smaller market.

How good is it for VR is a much more relivent question. And no one has given benches for yet.

 

https://youtu.be/myDYnofz_JE

Overclock your 980ti or Titan x and look what happens at 1440p and 4k.

I knew that memory bus would hurt the 1080

 

It... runs... faster?

 

According to so called reviewers yes it does.