Boiled take your head out of your own arse for a mo and smell the fresh air. I have repeatedly stated how I have formed my opinion, why I have these opinions, and what I think about all other opinions for long enough now. 24 pages of discussion and we will never agree on the basic principles we have discussed within these 24 pages. I am simply doing what I should have done ages ago, walk away. There is no point continuing as there is no progress being made on either side. I'm on holiday for 2 weeks from work, and I got involved in an argument that has gone on too long. I think now would be a prudent time to draw a conclusion to my involvement, before it turns into another 24 pages of the same. If you want answers to your questions, read the 24 pages. Don't expect me to be wasting more time going round in circles, because that is all we are doing.