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Porn site age-check law demanded

Discussion in 'Serious' started by danielg, 28 Mar 2014.

  1. Big_malc

    Big_malc Well-Known Member

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    Off topic but is anyone else thinking of the Monty python sex education now ??
     
  2. Almightyrastus

    Almightyrastus Rule #9

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    "thank you dear"


    On the topic of restricting access, that can only work at a local level. My ISP (Virgin) blocks some torrent sites because the courts told them to (and they just gave in...) but so what? There are others I can access just as easily as new ones and mirrors get set up faster than the originals can be blocked.

    (now before anyone goes jumping all over me for going to torrent sites, my visits were out of curiosity after hearing about the filtering).

    Porn sites would be certainly no different to this, get an ISP provided block setup one the main ones and countless others will just take their place. Of course, providing filtering and blocking at local level would then require people to actually do something.........
     
  3. Risky

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    Hmm, now if you got confused I though the second part of the lesson was a continuation of the first......
     
  4. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    Not only that but people setup proxies specifically to bypass these blocking attempts, although people have been arrested for running proxy services, and then there's also HTTPS.

    It would take any child with the intention of viewing porn around 1min to circumvent any attempt to block them, that's why education is the answer and not just trying to remove the threat.

    We don't try to stop cars from driving down the street we teach children to beware of the dangers and what's healthy behavior when crossing the road.
     
  5. Umbra

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    And they (politicians etc) seemingly have never heard of p2p, talking to a friends son a while ago and he's raving about a program called shareza that he and his mates at school are using, he boots up his laptop and opens shareaza and in seconds has found zillions of gigs of porn to d/load, didn't notice too many age checks :duh: he also says that porn sticks (usb sticks full of porn) are playground currency.
     
  6. CrapBag

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    Nuke the internet from orbit......it's the only way to be sure.
     
  7. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    UK pornography industry proposes user ID checks for adult websites
    http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2015/may/26/pornography-industry-user-id-checks-adult-websites-privacy
    As if we don't have enough blocking and censorship in the UK. :eyebrow:
     
  8. Nexxo

    Nexxo * Prefab Sprout – The King of Rock 'n' Roll

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    Not going to happen; it's bad for business. They'll just ask for credit card details as many porn sites already do.
     
  9. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    Wouldn't it be badder for business asking for credit card details every time?
    I mean how many people would trust some anonymous blogger with their CC details, or for that matter any of the many other freely available porn sites.
     
  10. Nexxo

    Nexxo * Prefab Sprout – The King of Rock 'n' Roll

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    No, because your credit card is insured against fraud and can also be easily ditched and replaced. Your bank details, NHS no. and identity however...

    Many porn sites already ask for credit card details. It's how they charge for content. The opportunities are obvious: if you have to sign up even with free porn sites, the threshold for future micro-transactions is one step lower.
     
  11. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    Insurance or not CC fraud still costs around £1.2 million every day, a cost that's ultimately borne by Jo public that's if you're lucky enough not to found at fault, a CC is not a secure or reliable way to verify someone's age, it could even be claimed doing so was failing to keep your personal details safe.
     
  12. Nexxo

    Nexxo * Prefab Sprout – The King of Rock 'n' Roll

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    I'm not saying that is a cast-iron method, just one that is more palatable for Joe Public and more convenient for the porn industry.

    A porn site that asks for your bank details or NHS no. (also no secure or reliable way to verify someone's age, BTW) will soon be out of business. And Tories will do nothing that is bad for business.
     
  13. RichCreedy

    RichCreedy Hey What Who

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    this, I remember setting up kids accounts and putting filters on, and setting up adult passwords to override websites incorrectly listed, gave my ex-wife an adult password, which when she got pissed off with the kids asking for access to a site, she gave them the password, needless to say I wasn't happy.
     
  14. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    If the people that helped me into this world don't know how old I am then we are truly up s**t creek without a paddle. :p

    And I'm not sure we can carry on claiming the Tories will do nothing that's bad for business, what with the EU referendum, metadata collection, withdrawal from the ECHR, the list goes on.
     
  15. Nexxo

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    It's as easy for an entrepreneurial horny teenager to obtain their parents' NHS number or bank details as it is to lay their clammy little hands on their credit card.

    Exiting the EU is good for the Tories (concentration of power). But the government is already doing a study on the economic impact of the 'Brexit' (as they call it) and is not liking the answers they come up with. Metadata collection? Good for business (as Google and Facebook know). Withdrawal from the ECHR? Very good for business.
     
  16. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    I hear those clammy little hands also grow hair on their palms. ;)

    You have a strange way of looking at those proposals, just the possibility of exiting the EU is already costing business money, just like its cost the Bank of England money to draw up plans for what may or may not happen.

    Metadata maybe good for Google and Facebook but there the ones doing the gathering, if you happen to be on the receiving end it's not good, a government knowing about possible takeovers before there public knowledge, knowing who the CEO's talk to, the threat of being taken to court for tax evasion.

    While I can see business liking withdrawal from the ECHR, it calls into question how fast and lose the government is willing to be with internationally agreed laws. Personally I wouldn't feel comfortable doing business in a country that is happy to rush through some laws and withdraw from others at the drop of a hat.

    I get the feeling we are drifting off topic. :lol:
     
  17. Nexxo

    Nexxo * Prefab Sprout – The King of Rock 'n' Roll

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    Here the government benefits by getting more power. Government interests trump business interests (although they often align) trump civilian interests.

    They already know that stuff --they talk about it with business types over lunch as friends. The metadata they are interests in is ours --to control us and to sell to the highest commercial bidder.

    It's not harming the US' or China's business any.
     
  18. Corky42

    Corky42 Where's walle?

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    Not disagreeing but wasn't we talking about the Tories doing nothing that is bad for business.
    It seems that statement comes with a caveat, their own self interests come before those of businesses.

    Again not disagreeing that they may well know some of the goings on but they don't know all the goings on, they will be able to glean insight into the stuff big business chooses not to tell them.

    A bit like you may already know what your partner tells you but it's not until you rifle through their phone, computer, internet history, bank account, and the rest of their personal life that you learn about the stuff they didn't tell you. :eeek:

    Not that I've looked into it but I don't think they are playing fast and lose with long held laws and human rights, it's a bit like waking up one morning to find the next president of the US' wants to throw away the bill of rights, or China is going to hold democratic elections.

    Businesses don't like change, they like stability.
     
  19. Nexxo

    Nexxo * Prefab Sprout – The King of Rock 'n' Roll

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    Yup. Although these interests often align because they are often closely involved with each other.

    Maybe. I suspect that they already have many ways of finding out, and that they have personal relationships in business at a level that they not only know what's going on, they're the guys who decide it.

    Now you mention it, I do wonder why my wife keeps that huge-ass Brugger & Thomet APR 308 sniper rifle under the stairs. And whether her aunt really is that sickly that she regularly needs to go and stay with her at short notice... :worried:

    The Patriot Act was all but that. But many countries have zero human rights, and suffer regular drastic regime change. Business doesn't care as long as there is money to be made --in fact powerful enough business is often instrumental in effecting such changes. Look at Libya and Iraq for instance...

    ...Sorry, what was the thread topic again?
     
  20. Anfield

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    The more power argument falls flat the second you remember that our government is about to hand over control of the country to american companies (TTIP).

    In other words, the promise of an EU exit to gain power is nothing but a publicity stunt (with potentially devastating consequences) to fool the millions that are still suffering from the financial crisis by blaming all problems on foreigners.
     

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