ok before i start this isnt an Intel VS AMD thred and most of u are gonna say this has been brought up Before, But this is different and im being serious ok the question goes Which processor do u have EG: brand, speed, so on, how does it perform in your set up ( please state what kinda setup you have ) and why did u choose say intel over amd, have you had any problems, was performance not to wat u expected, and have u overclocked it if so how far the reason why im asking this is because ive have just like you guys read intel vs amd flame threads been to places like toms hardware seen all the benchmarks and so fourth but wat i really want to no is the end users veiw of them AND PLEASE DO NOT TURN THIS INTO AMD SUCK INTEL SUCK BLAH BLAH BLAH thanks you ill start this with what i have and problems ive had with it ok set is as followed PROC :- 3200 athlon barton 400FSB RAM :- Hynix DDR 400 MOBO:- Asus A7N8X -E deluxe GFX :- GigaByte FX 5200 SOUND :- Audigy2 Zs OEM Network :- Intel Pro 10/100 + onboard network devices OPTICAL :- Pioneer DVD rom MISC :- Generic IDE raid controller HDDs :- Seagate 40Gb 7200Rpm / 80Gb 7200Rpm / 160Gb 7200Rpm Western Digital 80Gb 7200Rpm 8Mb cache ok i had some stabililty issues when i first put this system together, soon came down to driver incompatibilitys and IRQ hissy fits. The audigy had a problem where it would work then drop out after an unknown reason and cause the computer to violently freeze needing a restart, this was fixed by changeing PCI slots and updated Chipset drivers where installed and Sound drivers installed, No problem with the intel network card or pioneer drive i did have a problem with the WD haveing droped out and loosen all data on the drive it was soon discovered the IDE cable that was brand new was pooched, i did have a problem with the FX5200 where the overclocking utility wouldnt install and when it did wouldnt reconise the GFX card. The athlon proc was a bugger to install with the HSF i had to remove the green plastic thing on the clip to be able to move it that was ok but the several tries with that clip on almost caused a ****ed core. i hate AMD for this thats the only problem i had with it. these where all solved and fixed just simple but annoying problems that ive had since upgradeing from my A7v333 deluxe and 2800 barton speed and stability is awesome ive had my computer runnin trouble free for a week with no shutdowns or restarts ( thats because ive installed suttin new so had to force restart ) network gameing and hosting servers is grouse no problems wat so ever in almost any game, the FX5200 is slow weak and i hate it but i got the card for 50bucks and it plays splinter cell pandora 2morrow so i guess i cant really complain, ripping and burning dvds is fast 15-30 mins depending on the dvd, encodeing videos is fast useing winavi takes 10 mins changeing a 700+mb divx movie to VOB and then burns it just as quick, so yea thats it my conclusen is that im very impressed with the system i have now that all the bugs are ironed out im very happy with it ( cept the GFX )
Well only ever used AMD so no comparison with Intel can be made. 6 AMD's rigs i've personally built, none of which has ever had a single hardware related error. All used Abit/Asus mobos. To list i've had experience of: 1Ghz Duron rig on Abit kt7 XP2400+ on abit KD7 and NF7 2 x XP2000+ both on Asus 1.8Ghz duron in a shuttle XP2500+ mobile abit nf7 + more. never really come across many hardware errors that arn't user created.
Using an Asus A7N8X Deluxe 2.0, Athlon XP 3000+, 512 megs of PC 2700 RAM, GeForce FX 5700 Ultra, 80 gig HDD and a cheap arse PSU, I had a power supply crap out on me, taking my Asus A7N8X deluxe, GeForce FX 5700 Ultra and 80 gig HDD with it. This occured simply by user error in getting a cheapy ass un-warrantied PSU . $400 later, I am running on an Abit NF7-S, same CPU, Same RAM, 9800 pro and a replacement 80 gig HDD. It is very, very stable and runs all of my games beautifully on fairly high graphics settings for the newest games; max for older ones. I dont have any comperably specced Intel systems, so I cant make a comparison. However, I do have two older Intel systems; an E-machine and a really old Dell. Those CPUs definitely seem to last awhile. Then again, my brother in law is using a Duron 1.0 Ghz and has never had any problems with it; He still uses it today, and runs it almost 24/7. My main rig doesnt overclock very well FSB wise - I only managed to get it up to a 185 mhz FSB before my RAM timings of 3,3,3,8 wouldnt let me boot into Windows. Multiplier overclocking doesnt gain me much of a performance boost without extra bandwidth. As such, I leave my system stock. If there was one thing I would do with it, I would use better RAM that has tighter timings so that I could run it overclocked; I have a very nice heatsink (Zalman 7000 AL/CU) And the NF7-S is damn stable. I picked AMD over Intel because it was way cheaper at the time, and the 3000+ that I have is multiplier unlocked, and therefore, very OCable. It seemed far better value to me than Intel was, and I am happy I made that choice.
i got a 800watt psu and it has fixed all my restarting probs ive ever had same mistake u did i brought shitty 400wat generic PSUs and always had problems
come on 58 ppl have veiwed this and only a few have replied im sure in sum way the 58 ppl have veiwed this either have a computer they have put together or have had problems with 1.
PROC :- a64 3200+ RAM :- 1gb corsair xms pc-3200 MOBO:- msi k8n neo platnium GFX :- Evga geforce 6800 128mb SOUND :- on-board Network :- on-oard OPTICAL :- 52x24x52x16 combo drive MISC :- crappy psu(getting new one) HDDs :- 120gb samsung spinpoint Ive never had any problems accept for that my ram timings are shat, and that i dont get a stable voltage on my mobo(due to shitty psu).
P4 Northwood 2.8Ghz 533 @ 3.158Ghz 600Mhz 1 giggy XMS DDR-400 Gigabyte GA-8INXP Radeon X800 Pro Onboard sound/NIC Pioneer 106 DVD dual layer/dual format burner 16x Globalwin Sapphire Series 520W 600+ Gigs HDD space Ive never had a real issue with my Intel's. I built a AMD system once for a friend and it was the biggest headache ever.
Pretty much all of mine are AMD, never had a problem.. To list: 1.33 t/bird and Jetway 839cf 1.33 t/bird and gigabyte kt133a 1700/180o juihb and Abit kx7 333 1800 juihb and infinity 1700 juihb and NF7 2500 desktop and NF7 1800 and Gigabyte * 2 All have been plain sailing Few OC issues with the new NF7/1700 but they seems sorted now
My first ever self-build Here's the specs: PROC :- AthlonXP 2500+ Barton 333FSB RAM :- 2x Generic 256MB PC3200 DDR MOBO:- AOpen AK77-600 Max GFX :- Sapphire Radeon 9600 SOUND :- Onboard AC'97 NETWORK :- Onboard Gigabit (on a 10MB hub ) OPTICAL :- Pioneer DVD + Random CD-RW PSU :- Codegen 400W HDDs :- 40GB Maxtor 7200RPM ATA133 This is my first non-Intel computer. My old Celery: PROC :- Intel Celeron 800MHz RAM :- 256MB + 128?MB PC133 SD-RAM MOBO:- Gigabyte GA-6WMM7 GFX :- Onboard SOUND :- Onboard NETWORK :- Random PCI thingy OPTICAL :- Bog-standard CD-ROM PSU :- Dunno (It works, so I don't care HDDs :- 20GB 4500?RPM Both never had any problems except the GFX on my main rig. I tried everything. Re-format, old PCI card, reseat everything. Turns out it was a driver issue. I have not overclocked either one, and don't care to. _C
Current - PROC :- AthlonXP 2500+ Barton o/c @ 3200+ 400FSB RAM :- 2x Crucial 512MB PC3200 DDR MOBO:- ABit NFS-7 v2 GFX :- Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro SOUND :- Creative Audigy NETWORK :- Onboard 10/100 OPTICAL :- LiteOn 40x12x48 CD/R/W and NEC 2510A DVD+/-RW/DL PSU :- Q-Tec 550w HDDs :- 200GB sATA Seagate, 80GB pATA Maxtor DM+9 Only problems where I had to do a reinstall was when I changed the gfx card from NVidia to ATI and just recently when setting up OS to boot off sATA HD. Other than that, I had a minor niggling problem with the Audigy (driver issue) but it seems perfect atm. Very solid, temps not a worry. Only other setup that has been this stable was my old Asus CUSL2c, coupled with an Intel 933 o/c @ 143fsb (1GHz) and GF2Turbo or something - that thing flew at the time.
here are mine in order from oldest to newest AMD K6-2 400MHZ MOBO: Matsonic Ram: 384MB PC-133 GFX: 8MB Onboard Sound: 16BIT Onboard Network: Aopen 10/100 Fast Ethernet Optical: 52x CDROM PSU: 250W Generic HDD: 1x720MB, 1x4.3GB AMD AXP 1800+ (Palamino) MOBO: Asus A7V8X-X Ram: 512MB PC-2100 GFX: Geforce 4 TI-4200 128MB DDR Sound: Soundblaster Live Network: VIA RHINO Fast Ethernet 10/100 Optical: 12x DVDROM, 16x SONY CDRW PSU: 350W Generic HDD: 40GB AMD AXP 2500+ (Barton) MOBO: Gigabyte GA7VAXP Ultra Ram: 512MB PC-2700 DDR GFX: Creative Voodo Banshee 16MB Sound: 5.1 Onboard Network: 10/100 Realtek R8139 Fast Ethernet Optical: None PSU:Thermaltake Pure Power 420W HDD:1x 40GB, 2x 80GB (RAID 0) AMD A64 3000+ (Clawhammer) MOBO: Compal Ram: 512MB PC-2700 DDR GFX: Geforce 4 GO 420 32MB DDR Sound: Onboard Network: Onboard 10/100 Wireless: Broadcom 802.11G Optical: LG DVD+rw PSU: Power Brick+LI-ION Battery HDD: 60GB 5400RPM AMD A64 3000+ (New Castle) MOBO: MSI K8N Neo Platinum Ram: 512MB Corsair XMS C2 PC-3200 DDR GFX: MSI RX9800 Pro (Radeon 9800 Pro) 128MB DDR Sound: Creative Soundblaster Live 5.1 Digital Network: Nvidia 10/100/1000 Optical: LG DVD+-RW PSU: OCZ Powerstream 420W HDD:1x36GB Raptor, 2x200GB (RAID 0)
Current System: Intel P4 2.6C Abit IC7-G 1 GB Corsair PC3200LL Radeon 9800 Pro 128 SB Audigy 2 Enermax 550W PSU WD Raptor 74 GB Coolermaster ATC 201-C Have not built an AMD system in 5 years. Last one I tried was such a headache that I swore off AMD forever. My main problem with AMD is that they do not make their own chipsets, and the 3rd party chipsets have not always been satisfactory. Intel makes their own chipsets. I have nothing but great things to say about the chipsets i've tried and how they work. Sure, you pay more for Intel but in my experience, that extra money has bought a better product. My other problem with AMD is the rabid fanboyism that is associated with their products, but that is another topic entirely (and not AMD's fault). Times have changed in the last few years and AMD's 3rd party chipset providers are making great products now. When I build my next machine, I'm planning to try AMD again. I'm thinking nforce4 with SLI...
AMD makes their own "chipsets", e.g. the Tyan K8W. Everything on it is AMD except the I/O (and Intel doesn't make I/O parts either) I have 4 Intel systems (2 desktops, 1 Notebook, 1 Server) and 3 AMD systems (3 servers). In the end - I don't see much of a difference. I would go with whichever suits the features you like best on that day. Even their processor/price/performance seems to be very well synchronized.
Those motherboards are irrelivant to this thread. 99% of the people here are not seriously considering building dual opteron severs/workstations. For all practical purposes, when you go mobo shopping for your amd processor, you cannot get one with an AMD chipset.
I have motherboard- Shuttle fn95 CPU- 3500+ ram- 2x512mb kingston hyperx sound-audigy 2zs video- ati aiw9800pro hard drive- 200gb sata segate psu-240w shuttle psu Everything works just fine, no problems, I used to have an HP based on a 1.6ghz p4, 256mb or ram, and a tnt2 (upgraded to the aiw 9800pro) The only problem I had with the HP was when I upgraded the video card, The stock 200w no-name psu died.
Nvidia, and as of the advent of A64, VIA, make excellent chipsets for the AMD platform. While AMD had a lot of problems in the K6 days, you really shouldnt hold it against them today. I have made both an Athlon XP and Athlon 64 machine; they are absolutely awesome beasts.
99%? Are you sure? I think you will find duelies more and more prevalent considering Apple is marketing dual machines and thus creating a demand for them and they are not expensive at all. These MoBo's are only $200 USD. Seems to me its cheaper to just get a dual CPU system than to get water cooling etc. I use mine just for folding and DOOM3. Are you sure you don't want to revise your estimate to say - 95% irrelivant? EDIT - oh and last time I was in a computer store, I actually did buy a dualy off the shelf on a whim - though it was a Via chipset, so more power to them. oh - so think about it - its only like an extra $400 USD to go dualy. $300 for the 2nd processor and $100 more for the MoBo. How much is a good water cooling rig? Heck some people here spend more than that on a case. OK - one last thing, I did a search and found some single CPU's with AMD "chipsets", so - I really don't see the validity of your argument. This is just an AGPslot or PCI bridge - they can be used on any AMD64 system. I think you have confused the fact that they might not be popular with the fact that they are being designed, made, sold, and bought.
