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Racial Hatred Abounds

Discussion in 'Serious' started by LennyRhys, 4 May 2019.

  1. LennyRhys

    LennyRhys Oink!

    16 May 2011
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    Bit of a downer, but this is a serious matter which is why I'm posting it here. Some people may (and probably will) find the content offensive, but I have to post it for the sake of transparency.

    Yesterday morning I had a Messenger conversation with a long-time (10+ years) Steam friend who is a European currently living in London. He started talking openly about his dislike of "pakis" and, naturally, I challenged this squarely, pointing out that all people are the same, regardless of their ethnicity. I tried to reason with him, but that proved to be fruitless:

    "They [Pakistanis and Indians] are brown filth, subhuman rats. They should all be burned alive."

    And if that's not bad enough, he applauded the NZ massacre, claiming that "no human lives were lost, only animals. High five to the guy."

    I duly reported the conversation to Facebook, but I'm wondering if there's more that I can or should do. The thing is, I've "known" this guy for several years and I know that he's an avid gun fanatic and owns guns on his home turf where gun laws are a lot more lax than here in the UK. He shoots animals for fun, and he's already openly stated that he considers some people to be animals of the lowest order.

    You know what they say... the recipe is there, so what's to stop him from being the next sociopath that kills a bunch of innocent people because of the burning hatred in his heart?

    As an aside, I really wish Facebook had a tougher policy on this matter. He posted stuff about the NZ massacre on his Facebook wall, and he received a 24hr ban. IMO, social media sites should automatically perma-ban any account that even hints at racial hatred.
  2. liratheal

    liratheal Sharing is Caring

    20 Nov 2005
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    It's complex.

    I was reading recently about someone who advises parents and family of radicalised people and how best to handle them - it was long winded and not something I'm smart enough to distill, but it was an interesting read! http://girds.org/staff/daniel-koehler that was the guy (edit).

    I agree that ethnic hatred is absurd and not to be tolerated, but moderating it on any site the size of Facebook is a challenge that simply doesn't have a simple solution. I was recently made aware about Burma and it's use of Facebook as a news site owing to the free data when buying certain mobile contracts. But facebook didn't have the language specialists necessary to properly police the Burmese language posts. So it was rife with hate speech and racial intolerance spouted by people in power.

    Facebook has a lot of hardware and technical skill, but there's no way they'll ever police hate speech as effectively as normal people would like. It'll either be too much, and catch a lot of bystanders, or as ineffective as it is now. That said I did see they banned a few people across all their platforms recently because of hate speech.

    As for what you can do when you encounter that kind of radicalised hate speech? As far as I'm concerned all anyone has the responsibility to do is report it to the appropriate people and refuse to tolerate it. As far as I can tell, you need a lot of training and experience to handle that kind of thing properly.
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  3. edzieba

    edzieba Virtual Realist

    14 Jan 2009
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    That's verging on the point (if not past it, if he has made any sort of link between "X should kill all Y" and his own ownership of firearms) where it makes sense to contact the authorities of whatever jurisdiction he resides in rather than just a website host. Depending on those authorities they may not do anything, but having the information entered in an official manner either means a flag up to whoever oversees radical monitoring that they should be keeping an eye on them, or at worst another datapoint to the pile of "we had a warning and did nothing, maybe we should be taking these sorts of things seriously".

    ::EDIT:: the longer-term generalised solution would be to treat radicalisation as less of a criminal issue and more of a mental health issue. Those vulnerable to radicalisation are vulnerable almost regardless of the actual ideology they end up indoctrinated by, determined almost entirely by majority exposure. Identifying those with high risk factors (e.g. some but not all of: lack of education, lack of critical analysis skills, recent mental health crises and/or bereavements, and more controversially associations with locales and possibly persons common to other occurrences of radicalisation) could be used to target interventions beforehand when those risk factors increase (e.g. at poijt of sectioning under the mental health act, as an extreme example). This must be in addition to rather than an alternative to analysing and dealing with the sources of radical ideologies in the first place (e.g. foreign policy).
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  4. GeorgeStorm

    GeorgeStorm Aggressive PC Builder

    16 Dec 2008
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    I was about to say, depending on what he said I would argue that's something you should report to an actual authority rather than basically a forum mod.
  5. cjmUK

    cjmUK Old git.

    9 Feb 2004
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    I'd not report it to any authorities unless you have evidence that he intends to act on his bigotry; chances are he's just an Internet ****wad.


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