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Hardware Radeon HD 4890 vs GeForce GTX 275

Discussion in 'Article Discussion' started by Tim S, 3 Apr 2009.

  1. azrael-

    azrael- I'm special...

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    I know they're *supposed* to be identical, and I also know they're (probably) all built by PC Partner (Sapphire). The reason I'm asking is that perhaps you were just unlucky to pick the worst card of the lot to test. It *can* happen... :)
     
  2. adidan

    adidan Guesswork is still work

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    It would be interesting to see how they both faired with X3:Terran Conflict. In CPC tests it looks like ATi cards perform better on X3 so it would be interesting to see both of the cards performance on that game as a counterbalance to Crysis, which nvidia continually outperforms ATi, in order to get a fully rounded overview.
     
  3. Journeyer

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    Hm.
    As my 9800GX2 seemingly died mysteriously and without warning yesterday (and as I because of this is now running on my embedded Radeon 3300) I am in the market for a new graphics card.
    I have been considering the idea of going with ATI (a couple of 4890's or possibly 4870X2's), though personal experience urges me to stick with Nvidia. So I'm not sure what card to go for at the moment.

    I really liked that 9800GX2, and thus I am tempted to go for the 295, but the fact that it seems to loose out on memory and such I don't know. The 275 seems nice, but so does the 285. Choices choices...
     
  4. Redbeaver

    Redbeaver The Other Red Meat

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    275 it is.... looks like a great bang-of-the-buck card.

    makes u wonder when will ATI do somethin bout that temperature issue.... eeek.....
     
  5. azrael-

    azrael- I'm special...

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    Would that be the temperature issue where the HD4890 runs 26C cooler than the GTX 275 under load? Or the 2C it runs hotter when idling?
     
  6. Turbotab

    Turbotab I don't touch type, I tard type

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    The ATI runs cooler at load because they turned the fan speed way up, maybe it would have been better to lower fan speed, to create a quieter card. However people automatically assume higher temps with problems, even if the card is well within its designed temperature range.
     
  7. azrael-

    azrael- I'm special...

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    I'm well aware of these facts. I was posing a somewhat rethorical question.

    The fact is, though, that according to bit-tech the fan on the HD4890 ran at 36% at load while the fan on the GTX 275 "only" ran at 55%. So, by and large, it's not really correct to say the fan speed was turned "way up" on the HD4890. You could, however, state, that the specific HD4890 tested by bit-tech might have benefitted from a more quiet fan. :)
     
  8. yourma2000

    yourma2000 New Member

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    why is it the 4890 from ATI (the leading innovators) with GDDR5 & DX10.1 has been rated 7 for features yet the GTX275 which is still using GDDR3 & DX10 has been rated 8? am i smelling a biased review?
     
  9. Tim S

    Tim S OG

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    GDDR5 is a great technology, and so is DX10.1... but our score for "features" is not just about the technology, but also the hardware implementation. If it was just about the technologies implemented, it'd just become a marketing checkbox and wouldn't actually make any sense to include in a review. At that point, we'd have to factor in PhysX and Nvidia's better success in GPU Computing thus far (through CUDA), even though we think both have serious limitations to the extent that we don't consider them 'features'. Both ATI and Nvidia support OpenCL and even current hardware will support some slices of DX11 Compute - that's where we want GPU Computing to be, where it's no longer about CUDA and Stream (or whatever ATI's strategy happens to be these days since it's changed so many times over the last few years) and it's about the developers instead, but that's going to take some time.

    The cooling solution, for example, is quite an important feature and that's somewhere we feel Nvidia is in a much better position. While the GPU on the Radeon may be 'cooler', that's down to the fact it's considerably louder. I'm sure if the GTX 275's fan was spinning at the same speed and noise level as the 4890's, we could easily make the GTX 275 look amazingly cool, but the fact of the matter is that it doesn't need to spin itself up.

    Am I smelling a fanboy? :)
     
  10. TADE

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    PLZ do a review of GTX275 1792MB! :D :D :D
     
  11. dklingen

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    I think the authors of this article seriously need to re-read the article, if you don't see the obvious bias in the comments, you never will. I have read about 15 reviews from sites all around the world and NONE of them reached a conclusion similar to bit-tech. Universally they say the GTX275 is very slightly faster, but that it is a tossup between picking a better card and that most consumers will go for the card that offers the best deal (ie final price).

    As for the power, noise, temperature apparent contradictions, look here for clarification:
    http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/16681/11

    I'll probably wait for the DX11 cards unless some great game comes out that deems an upgrade...
     
  12. Mentai

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    But that is what bit-techs conclusion was! The price of the cards were exactly the same in the UK, so with the universal conclusion that the GTX275 is very slightly faster, it is the logical choice! All this was clearly outlined more than once in the review, I'm guessing you just read the last couple of lines and then called obvious bias? Pathetic. /rant

    As a side note, how's that review of Palits custom GTX275 coming along?
     
  13. Tim S

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    It's not far away now...
     
  14. Tim S

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    At the time of review, both were the same price at £220 in the UK, even after we disregarded the £199 Palit card because it was a custom board design/cooling solution - there's a review to follow on that. Nvidia continually quoted £199 to us, but because the Palit uses a custom cooling solution/board design, we weren't happy running with that price, so we went with the typical price of a 'reference' GTX 275.

    Everything else you say actually matches what we said in the review on multiple occasions... as the two are priced similarly (at the time of review), buy the 275 because it's a faster card. Maybe we should stop presenting all the data over 18 pages and sum the review up with just bulletpoints to get the message across. :rolleyes:
     
  15. Claave

    Claave You Rebel scum

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    I'd just like to add that the review essentially concludes that the two cards are the same price, that the GTX 275 is on balance a touch faster, and that the GTX 275 is quieter and easier to live with. Therefore it's hardly a surprise that we recommend the GTX 275 if you're looking to spend £220 on a new graphics card.

    If you can find a HD 4890 that's cheaper than £220 then we've given you the data to make your own mind up as to whether the money saving is worth the extra noise and slight drop in performance.
     
  16. heir flick

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    i picked up a 4890 yesterday and the temps are lower than my 4870 and as for fan noise it no louder than the 4870 so i cant see what all the fuss is about the fane being to loud
     
  17. SiliconDoc

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    Good LORD ! ATI has been losing a billion bucks a year for some time now, whilt Nvidia has made a profit EVERY QUARTER except the very last in the downturn, the whole time along - so "very aggressive pricing" which is LAW BREAKING according to you falls SQUARELY ON ATI, AND IT TO THE TUNE OF A 33% LOSS IN THE RED FOR EVERY CARD THEY SELL!
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    Hello, red price dumping lawbreakers, anyone out there ? Hello Biff, anyone home upstairs?!?
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    MY GAWD !!!!! THE YEARS LONG ACTUAL SIN OF ATI BLAMED ON NVIDIA when they "win a review" for once at bit-tech.
    Someone HELLLPPPPPPPPPP MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
     
  18. Guest-16

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    OK time for you to go, you contribute nothing to the community other than trolling, bye bye.

    I'm leaving all your posts here for evidence that you're a complete lunatic, but I'm glad you realise that you do need help. It's the first step.

    I recommend checking out Nvidia forums and posting there - you'll feel more at home.
     
  19. Bayaz

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    I have a Asus GTX275 and I think they are a great card. If you are not gaming at ultra high resolutions they can handle almost any game with ease. They can run a little hot so remember to adjust the fan speed on the card. Its only at 40% out of the box
     
  20. JustLeigh

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    Horizon, don't call someone a retard for not having the same level of understanding as you. Especially when you've come to the same conclusion - the card is not for you. Bit Tech and it's forum members should be tolerant of all knowledge and skill levels. How is anyone meant to learn without the help of their peers? Attitudes like yours scare people away from the tech world. Maybe he has a life?
     
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