Build Advice Recommendations for a friend's build

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  1. Blazza181

    Blazza181 SVM PLACENTA CASEI

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    I have a good friend, who after seeing teh epic lulz PC gaming is, has decided to build a PC for himself. His proposed Build is at this link:

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/registry/wishlist/1JUBWMPTPWV5W/ref=cm_wl_rlist_go

    Full List:

    CPU: Intel i5-2500k - ~£160
    Mobo: Gigabyte Z68A-D3 (B3) Motherboard: £101.30
    GPU: XFX Radeon HD 6870 - £139.99
    RAM: Corsair XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 SDRAM Memory -~£23
    PSU: Xigmatek NRP-VC403 400W Power Supply - £28.56
    Case: Cooler Master Elite 330 - £32.48
    SSD: Corsair 60GB SSD Corsair Nova Series 2 Solid State Drive - ~£68
    DVD Drive: LG GH22NS50.AUAA 22x SATA DVDRW Drive - £14.67


    My question is whether he can get any of these items for a good deal cheaper, if there are any alternatives to what he is about to get, and if he should get any different parts.

    I can guess that the PSU needs to be a good bit more powerful, but any other recommendations?
     
  2. lm_wfc

    lm_wfc Minimodder

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    If you have a look on scans today only deals, you can normally get the dual fan xfx black edition of that 6870 for aruond the same price, if not a few quid cheaper.

    I got a cheap case and regret it, go for an antec 100
     
  3. Jaybles

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    I would get a more powerful PSU from either Corsair or Seasonic. 8GB of RAM can be had for under £40 now and that would save an upgrade later.

    I would look into a nicer case if it were me. There are so many out there I'm not sure what to recommend without a budget.

    A budget is often useful because while that is a good system you can always improve. Those are about average prices for those components though.
     
  4. mucgoo

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    Buy on a dedicated tech site rather than amazon.
    A 500W PSU would be sensible.
    http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2011/09/13/what-is-the-best-400-599w-psu/10

    A 1TB 7200RPM will be needed otherwise he's going to end up putting games on the 5400rpm as the SSD will only have space for windows+word/browser+ one game.

    On the subject of SSD that's a poor choice.
    http://www.scan.co.uk/products/60gb-ocz-agility-3-ssd-25-sata-6gb-s-sandforce-2281-read-525mb-s-write-475mb-s-80k-iops#

    You want 1.5V RAM for use with sandy bridge.
     
  5. Blazza181

    Blazza181 SVM PLACENTA CASEI

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    Alright. That's a few recommendations.

    I'll try to get a budget out of him tommorow or tonight.
     
  6. PocketDemon

    PocketDemon What's a Dremel?

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    Whilst it ups the budget, i really wouldn't recommend any of the 6Gb/s 60/64GB SSDs as they're significantly slower than the 120/128GB ones.

    Since the mobo's going to have a proper 6Gb/s controller, i'd suggest at least (since things like the intel 510 & (esp) Vertex max iops are better) going for the 128GB Crucial M4 which can be gotten for less than £140 inc shipping atm...

    ...though check out things like topcashback as this can reduce the price further from some suppliers - albeit that you have to wait a couple of months to get the money back.
     
  7. teppic

    teppic What's a Dremel?

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    I agree with pocketdemon that you'd be much better off getting an M4 compared to that SSD, but I think that the 64gb version is worth considering if you need to be strict on budget. It performs extremely well in reads, just not as well in writes - but since a boot drive spends almost all its time doing reads, this matters very little (and the write speed isn't appalling by any means). If the budget can stretch, the 128gb is a better option of course.
     
  8. jizwizard

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    if the budget stretches get 2 m4 64gb and raid them. you can get 8gb of gskill from ebuyer for 35pounds.
     
  9. PocketDemon

    PocketDemon What's a Dremel?

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    it's unfortunately not just the writes that slow down...

    afaik (well, from the testing i've seen), along with the writes slowing by between ~36-41% (in CDM), whilst the sequential reads aren't that far off, the random reads drop by ~10-14% (again in CDM) between the 128GB & 64GB models (both using the 0009 f/w).

    Now, 'if' the SSD were just being used for, for example, games (as they're primarily sequential reads) then, this wouldn't be as much of an issue, but as a boot OS then this will have a more pronounced overall effect.

    As to this idea, you need to remember -

    (a) the smaller low QD r/ws do not scale as you're only reading from a single SSD despite it being in a R0 array.

    (b) the Crucials do not have the best GC & are not as robust in non-trim environments (compared to the SFs) so, esp in heavier r-e-w cycle environments (not least if a decent amount of free space isn't maintained & increasing the OP considered) then they will suffer a noticeable slow down in speeds.

    (c) & obviously you're doubling the risk of losing data to drive failure.

    Now, the most important of these (since you should be backing things up whether using raid arrays or not - if you don't then it's your own data you're risking of course... ...or in this case, the OP's mate's data) are (a) & (b)...

    ...the former meaning that you'll still have up to a 14% drop off in random reads/36%(+) in random writes compared to a single 128GB one, & the latter making the SFs a better choice generally for a R0 array (unless you're (again) using them for something like running games off - with the OS on an alt drive).


    Oh, & the 128GB M4 is a little over £10 less than 2x 64GB M4s which allows more money for tweaking the rest of the build.
     
  10. Blazza181

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    He's gonna try to keep the total price under £620. His brother is getting him a copy of Win7, so no worries about that.

    (Note for me - 400th post!)
     
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