Re: Re: SCORN SCORN good call but i think idle hands is better than clerks i mean hockey on the roof? and no way would that girl have sh***d that b list celeb
i don't know about on the boards but a significant proportion of the worlds 'top' physicists and mathematicians believe in 'something' even if it isn't quite in the traditional sense... Channel4 did a really good program on it once... mebbe they've seen something we haven't in this world
I've always thought the same thing, also if "God" is so great then why do I have to go to one specified stop to pray or talk or whatever to him. I thought that he was great and all knowing and whatnot and that he knew what I did and all that fancy stuff. I guess when I'm taking a shower I'm mooning god....
Im a Witch. [defensive mode] I dont curse people, Im not the cause of the moral downfall of society, and I dont eat babies and drink blood. I unlike others dont convert people either. Let me live my life the way I want and I will let you live yours the way you want. [/defensive mode] Sorry, some people get offended with witches in their presence, But hey Im still the same digitalblueshift, just you now know more about me. Just because you can calculate things ad infinitum, does not mean that you can know absolutley eveything there is to know about anything. Heisenburgs uncertanty principle. I think I saw it best descibed in the hitch hikers gude to the galaxy I paraphrase: No one can absolutley know everything there is to know abou the universe, and the instant somebody does understand everthing the universe will instantly change into something even more baffling and ipossible to understand. Darn that was a lot of keypresses perhaps I should join dolphin. I didnt read the other 4 pages, Im gonna go back and find out if there are any other wiccans @ bit, I hope im not the only one here.
Re: Re: Re: SCORN SCORN You've never played hockey on the roof of a convenience store? Ok well, neither have I. But I have played hockey on the roof of a morgue. Well, so it had been decomissioned for 50 years, it was still a morgue 50 years ago! 'Twas fun in any case (and we were smart enough to have more than one ball )
Re: Re: Re: Re: SCORN SCORN ok uber it does look like fun. and the movie does rock. on topic what about stigmata that had some good stuff in about god and shhh...tuff if you split a peice of wood you will find me turn a rock and i am there. something about if there was a god he would be omnipresant and would not need houses of god and the whole worshiping and abstaining from sex was wrong in the eyes of god and stuff. i mean what is right and what is wrong even in the eyes of this theoretical god the words have been interpreted in different ways from wayco to the ira the religiose wars and those weirdos in the street with megaphones. i think the weirdos in the street with megaphones are harmless enough. i think its allot like pollitics you get people who try to help and end up messing everything up and then you get those who try to make money. and end up screwing everyone over. hmm
if any thing i am the anti christ but on a true side i dont beleive in any thing for there to be a heaven there is to be a hell so therefore i dont beleive in anyhting and for me to confess my sins i would be in the boz for days lol but the faith i do believe in is all i take a bit from every 1
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: SCORN SCORN on that subject it is quite worrying being shouted by some m8s using a megaphone when they're in a car and you're walking along lol the public has funny reactions to that tho oki back to the topic Alaric ... bad boy
I've seen a lot of negative posts relating to religion. To be sure, it's all but impossible to ignore some of the crimes against humanity perpetrated under a religious banner (terror in the middle east, Spanish inquisition, Crusades, etc. ad nauseam). And I used to see things from that position too. In fact, I had a protestant religious upbringing, I can cite chapter and verse and sling dogma with the best of 'em. I rarely indulge myself, but I love debating with religious pseudo-intellectuals, because them's some easy pickins. But I digress. There is value in religion. I've seen it. I have seen religion bring great comfort to a person who had been dealt a really crappy hand in the poker game of life. This person lives daily with the effects of a brain tumor which was removed 15 years ago after being misdiagnosed for years by doctors. These symptoms make it astoundingly difficult for this person to convey her thoughts (aphasia), in spite of the fact that her mind functions fully. Imagine being imprisoned in your mind in a such a way that you could not express your thoughts effectively to anyone, but you were left alone with those thoughts, and outside observers tend to think of you as mentally impaired due to your lack of ability to communicate. In any event, religion (which one doesn't really matter for this discussion) is a profound source of comfort to this person. And that is religion at the personal level, a communion with the creator, rather than an organized, hierarchical religious institution with all its appurtenances. See what I mean, it's about religion, not the church in this case. Religion in my view therefore is anything which brings the individual closer to the creator and provides comfort. Some people find that in the church, others in Wicca (nods to digitalblueshift), others in meditation or the study of philosophy. I think Bindibadgi's father's quote reveals that he may be one of the people who really gets this idea. It took me a while to realize that the church could be flawed without religion being empty as well. Indeed, the pastor of my church ended his ministry by boinking a woman he was offering counseling to, then resigning and leaving town to become a hospital administrator in Florida. I drew the obvious lesson from that, and was pretty down on religious hypocrites for a long time, until I learned to appreciate the distinction between religion and the church. /me nods in K's direction
riding Linear's coat tails a little. I have been on both sides of the religion hypocracy debate. It is an especially hurtfull and hot topic in the Southern US where I live. My advices is stop looking at terrorists, straying pastors, kooks in the street, crusades, etc. With anything, go to the source, read the Bible, Koran, writings of Buddah, etc. You will almost always be soarly disappointed in people for all the answers. If you go to the source and don't like the answers, move on. There will never be an end to people misinterpreting and/or exploiting religion but that is just what they are. They are not the belief, they are people who fail to take the belief to heart. My answer. I was agnostic until I held my daugher for the first time. I was a Christian from that point on and have never had a doubt since, It was something I knew as much as the sky was blue... when I tell that to people struggling with their own faith they get mad and say that doesn't help them at all. I tell them that's the point, it is a very personal relationship/belief. There isn't a human on earth that could influence my belief in God and if there is a person that I have influence over, they are looking in the wrong place. (hokey aint it) oh, yeah - I'm also a devout humorist
Ooooh recognition. Cheers. Nice post btw, very inspiring. Defining the difference between church, religion and even bible has become more and more important in modern times.
wow, a religious thread. The only thing more likely to cause a flamewar would be a "Which Transformer was the best" thread Anyway, I'm a pretty strong Christian. I believe in eternal life for those that are saved, and I believe in Hell for the damned. I do not, though, believe in Creationism (I believe that God created the big bang And I absolutely believe in Evolution) And those are diametrically opposed. I believe in freedom of religion and freedom FROM religion, I don't think that I should be prosthletizing (sp?) to those that are uninterested, and I believe that I should be free from the same. So, I guess I have to follow Linear and eddie_dane. Though, I believe the difference is between "Faith" and "Religion." Faith is the act, the beliefs and the attitude. Religion is the building, the ministers and the laws. Faith is almost always good, Religion has a habit of being detrimental later, S.
You are not the only one, Digitalblueshift, I am a Wiccan too, have been for about a year now. I second everything that you said, we do not try to convert people or insist that ours is the only true way to deity, we don't believe in sacrifice, all we have to say about the do's and don't's of life is, if you are hurting no-one then carry on. Witchcraft is nothing to be feared or fought against, we are just trying to worship the Godess and God in our own way, all we ask for is our beliefs to be accepted without prejudice and to be alowed to carry on as we want without persecution. It happened in the past, let's leave it there. Blessings, Almightyrastus.
