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Other replacing lock cylinder Yale or ABUS?

Discussion in 'General' started by silk186, 5 Mar 2019.

  1. silk186

    silk186 Derp

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    I'm tired of the double cylinder in my front do. Yesterday I closed the door with a key in it and had to call a locksmith. I'm looking to saw it out for a 3-star turn-key cylinder. I'm thinking either a Yale Platinum 3 Star or an ABUS TS007 3 Star. I haven't found any comparison. Is one these better or is it a wash?
     
  2. Gareth Halfacree

    Gareth Halfacree WIIGII! Staff Administrator Super Moderator Moderator

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    I'd have - and, indeed, do have - an Avocet ABS instead. Saw a locksport enthusiast pick one on YouTube once: in a well-lit workroom, held at the perfect angle in a vice, and with a variety of tools, it stood up to his tender ministrations for 45 minutes.
     
  3. Wakka

    Wakka Yo, eat this, ya?

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    You can have the most secure lock in the world, but how many burglars go around with picks and skeleton keys nowadays?

    As long as you have windows in your house, if someone wants in, they'll just put a rock through and by-pass your fancy expensive door anyways. If I had the money and effort (and enough worth stealing), I would have a couple of cameras set up in the main rooms of the house that I set to record whenever i'm out. Won't stop people getting in, but give the police (and failing that, me) a much better chance of finding who did it.
     
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    Gareth Halfacree WIIGII! Staff Administrator Super Moderator Moderator

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    Exactly zero, 'cos snapping is even easier than bump keys. For the comparative cost, though, why not have the one you can't pick in a couple of minues?
    There is that option, but it's a lot noisier than snapping the door lock.
     
  5. RedFlames

    RedFlames ...is not a Belgian football team

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    Cheaper/quicker than a locksmith though in my experience.
     
  6. ElThomsono

    ElThomsono Well-Known Member

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    I'd agree, snapping is your only real threat and both protect perfectly well against that, although in my opinion the Avocet ABS is the best cylinder on the market at the moment.
     
  7. edzieba

    edzieba Virtual Realist

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    Between the two, I'd probably go for Abus over Yale. You might also want to consider a 1* lock plus a 2* escutcheon. It may work out cheaper than a 3* cylinder (and is considered equivalent by insurers), plus it'd be better hardened against physical attacks (a million times more likely than picking) due to the escutcheon being a massive chunk of metal protecting the cylinder.
     
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  8. Nealieboyee

    Nealieboyee Packaging Master!

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    I recently got back into lock picking for fun. I'm a complete novice. I bought a cheap lockpick set on Amazon, had a couple hours practice on a padlock, then proceeded to pick both the house's front and back door locks in under two minutes total. That was after a locksmith charged us £200 to fit "anti-pick" locks :( .Doesn't matter what lock you have . Where there is a will, there is a way.
     
  9. legoman

    legoman breaker of things

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    Option 3 involves explosives, also has the highest noise rating.


    Lock wise Abus. Had one fore years an its been smooth and the barrel hasn't gone loose like the Yale did.

    Issue usually is as stated if your make one access point secure they move to the next we got broken into years back when we had wooden window surrounds, they just took the beading off and removed the pane took some bits and left through the patio door.

    Needless to say we have new windows and multipoint locks etc so yes you could break in but itll take time and be noisy which is a better deterrent.

    If someone wants in they will find a way. perfect example years ago I worked in a phone shop. It was a metal skinned unit with brick behind, they came in scouted out where to cut as the front had full security shutters or a big heavy steel door. They literally cut the metal then chipped out some bricks crawled in an stole a load of phones.
     
  10. Wakka

    Wakka Yo, eat this, ya?

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    It's kinda depressing isn't it? You got thieves with all this ingenuity, intelligence and adaptability doing crap like that, yet the country is run by a bunch of entitled, useless, man-children who will argue until their blue in the face because the other guy has a better idea but wears a different colour tie to meetings...
     
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  11. silk186

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    Both the Yale and the ABUS can be found for under £15 on ebay. The ABUS is around £13 new and I can get a Yale Platinum around the same price if I'm patient. The main reason to upgrading the cylinder is to move from a double to a turnkey, it is a rented ground floor flat so security isn't going to be amazing, but this would make my life easier and make my door a bit more secure. My door is fairly secure but after 20 minutes of trying the locksmith finally managed to get in with a sheet of plastic and my help. Hence, I don't want to spend £60 on the best cylinder.

    TLDR; I'm looking for the best turnkey cylinder under £15.
     
  12. silk186

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    Option 4, involves a vehicle, you can either pull the door off or back right through it.
     
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    When you do replace it, can I have the old one? I pick locks for fun, and I'm always on the lookout for new locks. I'll cover postage, obviously.
     
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    I'm good at picking my nose and I don't require any specialist tools.
     
  16. Nealieboyee

    Nealieboyee Packaging Master!

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    Dammit beat me to it haha.
     
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    legoman breaker of things

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    wolfticket Downwind from the bloodhounds

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    That's not unusual, and not necessarily a sign that it is a bad lock. I watch a guy regularly (LockPickingLawyer) who picks almost anything in pretty short order (including the Avocet ABS mentioned above, which is very good but not impenetrable). Almost all locks are pick-able but unless the lock is inherently flawed in the vast majority of cases that isn't the attack you need worry that much about in real life.
     
  19. legoman

    legoman breaker of things

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    Fair point, end of the day your trying to deter which that will do.

    At this point can we introduce option No 5 for gaining entry to a building, when I see it used it works very well

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  20. Nealieboyee

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    It's tried and tested.
     
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    wolfticket Downwind from the bloodhounds

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