Motors Right, I am gonna start an arguement

The 4.3 vortech in the jimmy feels like its got the same balls as the 5.7 in the 3/4 ton silverado, of course the weight diff makes it feel like that.

That 2.8l is a good engine. It doesent have the powerband of a truck engine but it moves, I hear that it bogs down with the automatic version so I got a manual.

 

If they made a rwd cobalt the 4.3 vortech shoehorned with a nice turbocharger would rip. Its redline is roughly 5k rpm and it makes tourque down low where it counts and keeps it till the 4500rpm range. Its also a motor that does rev up quick even though its a truck tuned. With a bit of elbow work it would be a nice motor. But gm took the lazy route and kept mildly tuned. One thing though. It does last. There are astros out there with 300-400k miles.

Id still prefer a larger motor.

 

i have a honda civic vtec vvti and they are mint cars mate! keep it!! bah automatic!! dont do it!

 

Since when did Honda use Toyota's VVTi system with their own VTEC system? That would probably give you 100 MPG and 12 trillion horsepower and be able to fly and cook waffles for you and find you a girlfriend without a penis.

 

Thats one of the things that always gets me. Econobox users tend to be rather stupid. Sorry to say but its true.

Oh and btw. Stickers dont make a car go faster. Keep trying though.


/....gowd I hate ricers.

 

waits for all the old ricer/honda images

 

I would hope your girlfriend doesn't have a penis...
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Funny little Honda not-ad there, too

 

LOLLERWAFFLES

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yeah and you yanks tend to be thick.


its good this stereotyping isn't it

 

it's not a stereotype it's true... "lets kill the planet instead of engineering what we've got"

 

Depends what you like. If you love driving for the sake of driving then stick with a manual. If its a fast and furious 'I want a supra' then get an auto. Remmeber that theres more to go wrong in an auto. Also if its a N/A Supra then theres loads around to choose from so no need to fixate on this particular car.

 

This stereotyping is just stupid....a Honda V-TEC engine and an American V8 in a low state of tune are good in different ways, theres not one thats better than the other.

The V8 will last a good deal longer and produce better torque (and definitely sound better ), whilst the V-TEC will probably produce more power per litre, whilst using less fuel. Jaguarking, all this talk of V-TEC being crap on a stick, and Hondas not being real cars, it just comes across as extremely ignorant and somewhat bigotted.

Surely you recognise that a standard 4 cylinder road going production engine that produces well over 100bhp/litre without forced induction straight from the factory is a good technical achievement? Admittedly its of limited use in a truck, but for a lightweight road car its potentially as good a solution as any.

 

honda have used vvti's for a while! basiclly its vti but vvti is vtec vti i think. not to sure on that 1 not bad civic with 195bhp

 

what are you on about

Vtec is honda's owns variable valve timing
VVTi is Toyota's variable vavle timing.


they are very very very different in what they do and how they do it


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No im saying lancia did it better than honda. The old delta evos made over or slightly under 100hp per litre but also made matching tourque. If you ever see the toruque curve on a econobox at idle it has less tourque than a mower. it needs to ride in the 3k rpm range to produce it and most of its rpm range is toruque starved.

Yanks think? Maybe. I live for my generation, let the next fend for themselves as every generation has done before me.

 

and with that thinking Nazi Germany would have taken over....

 

Lancia Delta Evo...presumably you're meaning the Lancia Delta Integrale Evo, old school Italian 4wd hatcback...like this? :confused

If so, they do manage over 100hp per litre, and yes with matching torque (all awesome cars the Lancia Delta Evo/Integrale/HF etc), but they did so with a turbocharger - hardly a fair engine to compare to the naturally aspirated V-TEC, surely? Forced induction vs NA is not a fair comparison IMHO.

V-TECs aren't the torqueiest of engines thats for sure (but then what N/A small 4 cylinders are?), but this idea that they have no torque at all unless you rev the balls off them isn't strictly true. Indeed, whilst they make most of their power at very high revs, their torque curve is generally pretty flat across the whole rev range (I can get rolling road graphs which show this to be the case as well ).

 

Diesel 4cyl engines are torquey if turbocharged or naturaly aspirated.

What im saying is honda does not make the best of the best and each and every manufacturer makes crap and honda is no diferent. They are economy cars and very good economy cars at that but certainly not sports cars.

 

Oh grow up. If you truely belive your protecting the planet then go live in a forrest like a caveman.

There are bigger issues in the world than polution. Yet no one seems to grasp that.

Its like the local lady here that parks a chair and table on the sidewalk and screams about animal rights. And she always makes coments on people who have a purebread dog as she considers it murder. Yet I see no one enlightening anyone on human rights. And even when they do its a disaster.

Lets face it, as human beings we are like cancer to this planet. One day there will not be anything else as we are programed geneticaly to eliminate eachother and honestly we are getting good at it. Humans do things for greed animals do it for survival. I say we are one scale lower than your household rat.

 

I'm not going to disagree with you about diesels being torquey but then they have other disadvantages - low rev range, often laggy (even some modern turbodiesels have quite noticeable turbo lag....nothing, nothing, nothing, then the power comes all at once...), the fuel itself stinks and often the engines are noisy and unrefined.

Of course Honda doesn't make the best of the best, but I can't see where anybody has suggested that they have? As for them making crap, thats true as well...every manufacturer seems to have turned out a crap car at any one time.

As for them not being sports cars, what would define the S2000 or NSX (branded Acura in the states IIRC) as being if not sports cars? The more common Civics, Integras, etc are not sports cars, but the Type R versions are often pretty damned quick - the Integra Type R DC5 has 220bhp but only weighs around 1100kg, thats a good power to weight ratio, and its a good handling car too.

It does appear to me though that your argument seems to change a lot, and comparisons are made to suit your point despite them not always being an 'apples to apples' comparison - you criticise Hondas for not being sports cars, but then cite diesel engines as being good because they're torquey...but then they're no good for sports cars are they? Find me a diesel engined sports car and I'll be impressed

As for pollution not being the biggest problem in the world, I agree with you, its not...but that still doesn't mean efforts shouldn't be made to help reduce it. The US is a leader in a great many ways, I consider it something of a pity it shouldn't take the lead and show the rest of the world how things can be improved when it comes to the environment in the same way it takes the lead in other things!