Modding Rudimentary PC security

Discussion in 'Modding' started by 1398342003, 9 Feb 2004.

  1. 1398342003

    1398342003 Ubermodder

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    I have to secure a semi-public computer against tampering. Not the case itself, but the mouse and KB. There is no threat of theft, I just need to stop a curious person from using the computer. The computer runs a projector, and cannot go into standby or into a password protected screensaver or the projection stops.

    I was thinking that a keyswitch controlling USB power would be sufficient to keep the machine from being used. Any thoughts?
     
  2. SkylerUnruh

    SkylerUnruh What's a Dremel?

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    Yea, should work great...

    I just ordered a similar keyswitch for security reasons for my case. Its a two poled switch, but I'm using mine to enable/disable the power switch. I got it on ebay for like $10.00 and you may have to look around for awhile... mine is a tubular styled key. Took me awhile to find the one I wanted, kept finding ones that were designed for ignitions, meaning they had more than two poles, or they would have like 3-6 wires hanging outta them... lmao. Anyway, checked ebay and found them keyed switch. Its also called a "keyed kill switch". Just thought I'de try to help you out, as far as the disabling power to usb it seems very do'able, but I would wait till someone that know a little more about USB wiring to chime in before I started on this project. Just my 2 cents... :rock:
     
  3. malcs

    malcs oops! i put a hole in the ***** :(

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    why dont you just unplug the KB/mouse :p put in an easy disconnect somewhere....
     
  4. k3nn

    k3nn What's a Dremel?

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    unpluging the k/b and mouse should work as usb is plug and play, all u have to do is plug the k/b and mouse back in and they SHOULD work again.
    simple.
     
  5. Bossman

    Bossman What's a Dremel?

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    Only problem with USB's plug and play is when its connected and disconnected it will stop the projection and alert you that hardware has been added or removed.

    ...
     
  6. SteveyG

    SteveyG Electromodder

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    If I remember correctly, the USB + and - lines are the first to be connected and last to be disconnected when inserting a USB plug, therefore you'd want to switch the data lines rather than the power lines.
     
  7. pranks7er

    pranks7er mange tout

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    key board lock prob the simpleist idea
     
  8. Lorquis

    Lorquis lorquisSpamCount++;

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    wouldn't disconnecting the data or power lines be exactly the same thing as unplugging? and as such cause the same problems?
     
  9. 1398342003

    1398342003 Ubermodder

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    I hadn't considered the new hardware message stopping the projection. :( That would stop me from unplugging the mouse or KB, or using a switch. and disabling the data lines would bring up a similar message. (USB device not recognised)

    I could try the keylock idea anyways, Jameco Link sells keyswitches for about $3.50-$5.00 US, and I'll be ordering some stuff from them anyways.
     
  10. Yo-DUH_87

    Yo-DUH_87 Who you calling tiny?

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    Convert your keyboard and mouse to PS/2 using the little adapter thingies that come with most usb mice and keyboards these days and then either use a keyswitch or just unplug them.
     
  11. metarinka

    metarinka What's a Dremel?

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    gotta be a window's option to disable those messages. You could also consider installing a switch that just grounds the v lines so the mouse still appears to be there.
     
  12. Langer

    Langer Jesse Lang

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    xp-anti spy has the option to disble that, and many other alerts
     
  13. 1398342003

    1398342003 Ubermodder

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    Yo-DUH, which pin should I set to be broken? I think Pin1 or Pin4 could be disconnected, but I fear cutting the ground and the kbdclk (clock) because they might ruin the KB. If possible, I would like windows to think the mouse/KB are still connected.

    There are six:
    Pin 1 KBDAT (data)
    Pin 2 not used
    Pin 3 GND
    Pin 4 VCC (+5V)
    Pin 5 KBDCLK (clock)
    Pin 6 not used

    Jesse, what is anti spy, and can I get a link?
     
  14. Yo-DUH_87

    Yo-DUH_87 Who you calling tiny?

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    I honestly don't know which one to cut, but I can unplug a ps/2 keyboard from a machine and plug it back in without too much trouble, same with mouse.

    I'd assume vcc would be a good thing to cut ;)
     
  15. Hepath

    Hepath Minimodder

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    When running NT4x or Win2K with a PS/2 mouse and keyboard, you can connect/disconnect them at will with no effect at all.

    I didn't see you specifiy what OS and am only assuming that your mouse and keyboard is USB as that's the adapter you're talking about. Why bother messing with cutting pins etc when for a few £s you could get a Keyboard/mouse which wouldn;t cause you the problem when (dis)connecting.

    Then again - I probably missed something; I normally do!

    Stu :blush:
     
  16. Pandalet

    Pandalet What's a Dremel?

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    umm...guys, PS/2 is NOT hot-swappable. Most motherboards have protection built in these days, since folks insist on pulling out the keyboard and mouse all the time, but there is NO guarantee that this won't fry the controllers! PS/2 isn't designed for this, so if it works once, there's no guarantee it'll keep on working, and just because someone else can do it fine, doesn't mean you'll be able to.

    And yes, I know most people seem to be able to get away with hot-plugging their keyboards and / or mice, but be warned: you should power down your PC before doing so. USB, on the other hand, is designed to be hot-swappable - the power disconnects first and the controllers are specced to have built-in protection.

    Just an FYI :D
     
  17. Jim_Mcneat

    Jim_Mcneat What's a Dremel?

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    Well, KVM's don't seem to wreck computers, and most of them use PS/2 and essentially hot-swap. I've yet to hear of a working KVM frying the motherboard.
     
  18. 1398342003

    1398342003 Ubermodder

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    I think KVMs send a KB connected signal to each computer.

    I think that disconnecting the data line would be best, I'll try it when I can.
     
  19. Malvolio

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    Uhh, dumb observation, does your mobo have the legacy header for a keyboard lock? :idea: Because if it does, then simply closing the circut between those two pins disables both ps/2 inputs. Check and see, I'll bet your mobo has it ;)
     
  20. Jim_Mcneat

    Jim_Mcneat What's a Dremel?

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    about KVM's sending a "keyboard connected" message:

    That feature is called Keyboard Emulation (or Mouse Emulation), and my KVM doesn't have it. My KVM is just an A/B switch with no features or even power consumption. It works fine.
     

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